Will Cindy Be upgraded to a hurricane?

[Pearl River]

Ok. So the mayor of Slidell, who by the way has stated this same information over a dozen times on radio and no one from the NWS has come on and disputed this, is a liar and apparently so is the NWS.

I know what the storm looked like. I followed it from beginning to end. I followed until Slidell's radar failed and then used Mobile's radar.

[ROCK]

All that is needed is a sustained wind for 1 minute. So it could have been 176 for 1 minute, then dropped, so the damage may not show as cat 5 because of the short duration. Also, much of Slidell was under 10 -12 feet of water, which would act as a wind buffer.

So the NWS does not have the right type of anemometer? Must have been left out of funding from Congress. lol

OpalStorm, you live in Pensacola and you are going to tell me what type of damage we sustained?

If it was 176mph even for one minute, then the NWS would have considered the storm a 5. But in reality there is NO WAY Katrina was a 5. At landfall, dry air was being sucked into it's western side and it was definitely in a weakening stage. Remember what Katrina looked like the day before landfall...now that was a 175mph storm...compare that to what she looked like at landfall and you can see that there is no way she was as strong. Once again, Katrina was NOT a 5 at landfall.

Not a 5 or a 4.....She was so ragged coming in....

[MGC]

I could care less what cat Katrina is assigned. Fact is Katrina caused more damage than all 3 Cat-5 landfalls in modern history by a good magnitude. Katrina is also responsible for more deaths than all 3 Cat-5 US landfalls in history......MGC

[Extremeweatherguy]

Ok. So the mayor of Slidell, who by the way has stated this same information over a dozen times on radio and no one from the NWS has come on and disputed this, is a liar and apparently so is the NWS.

I know what the storm looked like. I followed it from beginning to end. I followed until Slidell's radar failed and then used Mobile's radar.

How is the NWS lying? Obviously they themselves threw out that wind report because it was not accurate or else they would have upgraded Katrina to a 5. Also, the mayor of Slidell is not a weather expert and is only saying what he has been told...just because someone says something doesn't mean that it is correct.

[Pearl River]

ROCK you must be an expert.

Extreme, all I'm saying is it has not been disputed by the NWS in the media. Thats all I'm saying,nothing more, nothing less, even if it's not in the final report.

[Audrey2Katrina]

First off, I don't think the NHC is dodging anything. If they had the evidence to reclassify, they would do so using whatever method necessary. No evidence no reclassify. We had this discussion already

What either of us "think" is irrelevant, and I'm sure I don't have to tell a law expert that.

Second, comparing Epsilon/ Zeta to Katrina is like comparing apples and oranges

Comparing ANY two hurricanes is like comparing apples and oranges; funny thing is that there are comparisons possible! The only point I was making was that "hostile environments" can and have been overcome by hurricanes which defied the logical odds, whether over the Atlantic, in the Caribbean, or in the Gulf, anomalies are always possible.

Its hard for me to understand why so many want her to be a cat 4 and ignore the evidence.

I imagine the folks who felt the same about Andrew felt much the same way.

And finally, yes it is quite fortunate that law has nothing to do with TS classification. If it was, I would have a libel suite to file....

I think we all might have some legitimate lawsuits pending!

A2K

[Extremeweatherguy]

I think we should leave it at this...Katrina killed many, caused billions in damages, and is one of the worst hurricanes to hit the U.S. Whether she was a 3 or 4 or whatever, she was bad. Personally I will continue to think she was a 3 (primarily because the people that re-classified her must have had valid reasons in doing so), and you can continue thinking she was a 4. It really makes no difference now since the storm has already caused her damage and taken her toll. Bottom line is Katrina was bad whether she was a 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 it really makes no difference. I think the category doesn't matter, it is the effect on people's lives that does. I just pray that this season brings nothing like the storms of the last two years (but I doubt that will be the case). I hope all affected areas can rebuild and be more prepared for the next monster. In the end, I think we should get over this argument and begin thinking about future storms. We should just enjoy the next few months of the quite tropics while we can and not think too much about last season or next season...we should all take this time to just relax..something I, nor most of the U.S. have not done in a long, long time.

[Pearl River]

MGC, you are correct. I don't care if it's classified as a depression. Over 1,300 have lost their lives, about a million homeless in one way or another. We will never know the true strength of this overwhelming national disaster. We can only hope it will never happen to anyone else. For people who have lived it, may the Good Lord give them strength to go on. Domestic violence is up and no telling what else may surface. I really miss the coast, but I know you guys will be back better than ever.

[Audrey2Katrina]

Amen to those last few posts!

A2K

[ROCK]

I have actually enjoyed this discussion. Always up for a good argument.


No, Pearl I am not an expert. I am just like you. Plane ole non-met who has a passion for the weather.

[Pearl River]

Yep thats me Of course, a lawyer is always in the argument mode

[Jim Cantore]

I was NOT surprised to read Cindy was upgraded. There was NEVER a doubt just like I believe Katrina was a Cat. 4 at landfall despite the later downgrade. They will probably revisit and upgrade her again in a few years to Cat.4.

can you find any wind reports on land of katrina being a 4 though (sustained)? No. The surge may have been that of a 4...but in today's world we rate hurricanes by the wind and not the surge. I think a Cat. 3 for Katrina is right. Also, concerning Cindy...yes, I think she should be upgraded. Lots of the damage I saw with her is in line with that of a Cat. 1 storm.

the surge was not that of a 4

it was that of a 5

its winds leveled of to cat 3 but the surge remained

[Extremeweatherguy]

I was NOT surprised to read Cindy was upgraded. There was NEVER a doubt just like I believe Katrina was a Cat. 4 at landfall despite the later downgrade. They will probably revisit and upgrade her again in a few years to Cat.4.

can you find any wind reports on land of katrina being a 4 though (sustained)? No. The surge may have been that of a 4...but in today's world we rate hurricanes by the wind and not the surge. I think a Cat. 3 for Katrina is right. Also, concerning Cindy...yes, I think she should be upgraded. Lots of the damage I saw with her is in line with that of a Cat. 1 storm.

the surge was not that of a 4

it was that of a 5

its winds leveled of to cat 3 but the surge remained

yes, in later posts I corrected myself and said that the surge was that of a Cat. 5

[Pearl River]

You just can't get people to understand that all of the anemometers lost power or failed several hours before landfall. One or two towers recorded, but that doesn't mean they were close to the strongest winds.

[Jim Cantore]

You just can't get people to understand that all of the anemometers lost power or failed several hours before landfall. One or two towers recorded, but that doesn't mean they were close to the strongest winds.

I do agree with that espcially in the Buras area

[Opal storm]

Why does it matter so much whether Katrina was a 3 or a 4,it doesn't change the devastation that has already occured.I say people need to move on and stop arguing over this.More than likely the NHC will not upgrade Katrina to a 4 so just stop wasting your time.

[Pearl River]

Opal storm wrote

Why does it matter so much whether Katrina was a 3 or a 4,it doesn't change the devastation that has already occured.I say people need to move on and stop arguing over this.More than likely the NHC will not upgrade Katrina to a 4 so just stop wasting your time.

I have problems with the report, no problem with Katrina being a cat 3. It's others who keep bringing up the cat 4 issue, not me.

[MiamiensisWx]

I also have problems with the Wilma report. I still think Wilma had 125MPH sustained winds at landfall, regardless of the downgrade. The surge in the northwestern Bahamas and surge damage in Cuba from Wilma was also left out from the report.

Also - on Katrina's surge - is it possible that Katrina really DID have a Category Four surge? I think it may be possible... it's just that wave action on top of the surge exemplified the effects and surge into a Category Five-type surge. Also, the surge may have had such profound effects because the Gulf coast may be much more vulnerable than what many even conceived. Is this possible?

[Pearl River]

CapeVerdeWave wrote
I also have problems with the Wilma report. I still think Wilma had 125MPH sustained winds at landfall, regardless of the downgrade. The surge in the northwestern Bahamas and surge damage in Cuba from Wilma was also left out from the report.

Also - on Katrina's surge - is it possible that Katrina really DID have a Category Four surge? I think it may be possible... it's just that wave action on top of the surge exemplified the effects and surge into a Category Five-type surge. Also, the surge may have had such profound effects because the Gulf coast may be much more vulnerable than what many even conceived. Is this possible?

Very well put Cape. I don't know what the cat surge is for Slidell, but I do know my dad had a still water mark of 13ft at his house, 4 miles from Lake Pontchartrain.

Tell me this. What's wrong with disagreeing with a report?

[Jim Cantore]

Why does it matter so much whether Katrina was a 3 or a 4,it doesn't change the devastation that has already occured.I say people need to move on and stop arguing over this.More than likely the NHC will not upgrade Katrina to a 4 so just stop wasting your time.

it would have changed it

IF Katrina remained a 5 the damage may have been doubled