Soccer Parents Upset Swinger Party At Same Hotel

[JQ Public]

this is in no way a hotels fault. they can't pick one group over another.

[HurryKane]

And now that I really think about it, if you're a swinger, doesn't that mean you're intervening in someone else's marriage?

No, not if the other marriage invited you in (provided you didn't wear out your welcome)

Yeah, as long as all parties are consenting adults, I don't have a problem with it.

It's not my thing, but I won't go tell someone else they can't do it.

[coriolis]

I went back and read the original post. so they were 7th and 8th graders from a catholic Jr. High School.

My experience with teens nowadays is that this experience is about equal to what they'd be exposed to in music and entertainment in general. How many prime time tv shows deal with adultery, gay issues, and other adult themes? I would be surprised if these teens really saw anything that would have blown their minds. I think that many parents act outraged at things, to maintian their act of "propriety" to "protect" thier children. My own teens would have gotten a good laugh at that scene, but would not have been harmed by it. Teens know about this stuff and we're fooling ourselves if we pretend that they don't. People can act like such prudes about sexual topics, and then turn around and hate their neighbor, lie, cheat, and in general, be hypocrites. Teens see right through it. If they see their parents acting faithfully and genuinely loving, that would speak more loudly than any rant against what those people are doing.

[vbhoutex]

I went back and read the original post. so they were 7th and 8th graders from a catholic Jr. High School.

My experience with teens nowadays is that this experience is about equal to what they'd be exposed to in music and entertainment in general. How many prime time tv shows deal with adultery, gay issues, and other adult themes? I would be surprised if these teens really saw anything that would have blown their minds. I think that many parents act outraged at things, to maintian their act of "propriety" to "protect" thier children. My own teens would have gotten a good laugh at that scene, but would not have been harmed by it. Teens know about this stuff and we're fooling ourselves if we pretend that they don't. People can act like such prudes about sexual topics, and then turn around and hate their neighbor, lie, cheat, and in general, be hypocrites. Teens see right through it. If they see their parents acting faithfully and genuinely loving, that would speak more loudly than any rant against what those people are doing.

Yep! Yep! Yep!! Your on a roll tonight brother!!!!

[Terrell]

I went back and read the original post. so they were 7th and 8th graders from a catholic Jr. High School.

My experience with teens nowadays is that this experience is about equal to what they'd be exposed to in music and entertainment in general. How many prime time tv shows deal with adultery, gay issues, and other adult themes? I would be surprised if these teens really saw anything that would have blown their minds. I think that many parents act outraged at things, to maintian their act of "propriety" to "protect" thier children. My own teens would have gotten a good laugh at that scene, but would not have been harmed by it. Teens know about this stuff and we're fooling ourselves if we pretend that they don't. People can act like such prudes about sexual topics, and then turn around and hate their neighbor, lie, cheat, and in general, be hypocrites. Teens see right through it. If they see their parents acting faithfully and genuinely loving, that would speak more loudly than any rant against what those people are doing.

I agree with you on this.

[wxcrazytwo]

Yes, I agree..

[HurricaneGirl]

The Director of Sales at that hotel obviously doesn't have the first clue about group booking / room blocking. Depending on who made the reservations first, he or she should have referred the other group to another hotel, knowing what was on the books, it's obvious there was a conflict... DOS's at large hotels do that kind of thing all the time and return favors. Obviously this DOS did not want to lose the revenue.

[Terrell]

And now that I really think about it, if you're a swinger, doesn't that mean you're intervening in someone else's marriage?

No, not if the other marriage invited you in (provided you didn't wear out your welcome)

Yeah, as long as all parties are consenting adults, I don't have a problem with it.

It's not my thing, but I won't go tell someone else they can't do it.

I wish more people thought the way you do on these types of things!!

[HurryKane]

And now that I really think about it, if you're a swinger, doesn't that mean you're intervening in someone else's marriage?

No, not if the other marriage invited you in (provided you didn't wear out your welcome)

Yeah, as long as all parties are consenting adults, I don't have a problem with it.

It's not my thing, but I won't go tell someone else they can't do it.

I wish more people thought the way you do on these types of things!!

Cool, you can be my vice-dictator when I rule ze world!

[Skywatch_NC]

And now that I really think about it, if you're a swinger, doesn't that mean you're intervening in someone else's marriage?

No, not if the other marriage invited you in (provided you didn't wear out your welcome)

Yeah, as long as all parties are consenting adults, I don't have a problem with it.

It's not my thing, but I won't go tell someone else they can't do it.

I wish more people thought the way you do on these types of things!!

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions!

[weathermom]

I went back and read the original post. so they were 7th and 8th graders from a catholic Jr. High School.

My experience with teens nowadays is that this experience is about equal to what they'd be exposed to in music and entertainment in general. How many prime time tv shows deal with adultery, gay issues, and other adult themes? I would be surprised if these teens really saw anything that would have blown their minds. I think that many parents act outraged at things, to maintian their act of "propriety" to "protect" thier children. My own teens would have gotten a good laugh at that scene, but would not have been harmed by it. Teens know about this stuff and we're fooling ourselves if we pretend that they don't. People can act like such prudes about sexual topics, and then turn around and hate their neighbor, lie, cheat, and in general, be hypocrites. Teens see right through it. If they see their parents acting faithfully and genuinely loving, that would speak more loudly than any rant against what those people are doing.

As someone who spends way too much time at soccer tournaments, I can tell you that just because the kids may have been Jr. High aged kids playing soccer doesn't mean that they are the only ones there. This is a family activity, with most families traveling in their entirety to soccer tournaments. It is not unusual for kids this age to be travelling with their younger siblings also ( um, soccer tournament at disney, should we bring all the kids? duh!).

If the part about the see through walls to the ballroom was true, then the hotel is responsible for what goes on in it, as it can be seen by anyone entering the hotel.

[coriolis]

That's true.

My thing is this: For me to be modeling good behavior to my kids, for a mom and dad to be sticking together through better and worse, through richer and poorer, and all that stuff, is in the end going to speak louder to our children than all the dumb diversions that they encounter in their life. You can be flipping through your premium cable channels and see a stray boob here or there. You flip though your regular cable channels and see "everything but." You watch the news and see and hear all the rotten things that people do to each other. Sex permeates everything to such a degree that we can't get away from it! I just have to believe that what they saw in that hotel, while surprising, should not have been enough to "ruin" their children for life. A lot of it would be in how the parents handle it and explain it to their kids. It can be viewed as a teaching opportunity: "Yes Billy, there are all kinds of strange people in the world, but they must be really unhappy people......" Or start flipping out and acting threatened by it. Which would have a more positive effect on our kids?

Having said that, I actually do agree. The hotel should have been a little more careful and done more to ensure that everything was more discreet. And those swingers...... Don't they have any shame?

[weathermom]

Yes, you are absolutely correct that how you live and the example you set is much more important than the isolated incidents that your children may be exposed to.

[wxcrazytwo]

That's true.

My thing is this: For me to be modeling good behavior to my kids, for a mom and dad to be sticking together through better and worse, through richer and poorer, and all that stuff, is in the end going to speak louder to our children than all the dumb diversions that they encounter in their life. You can be flipping through your premium cable channels and see a stray boob here or there. You flip though your regular cable channels and see "everything but." You watch the news and see and hear all the rotten things that people do to each other. Sex permeates everything to such a degree that we can't get away from it! I just have to believe that what they saw in that hotel, while surprising, should not have been enough to "ruin" their children for life. A lot of it would be in how the parents handle it and explain it to their kids. It can be viewed as a teaching opportunity: "Yes Billy, there are all kinds of strange people in the world, but they must be really unhappy people......" Or start flipping out and acting threatened by it. Which would have a more positive effect on our kids?

Having said that, I actually do agree. The hotel should have been a little more careful and done more to ensure that everything was more discreet. And those swingers...... Don't they have any shame?

Yes, the hotel should have been more discreet, but with that being said, swinging ain't all that bad. I've tried twice and loved the experience. I was single then, but still swinging ain't that bad. Would I do it now, maybe. I think we screen our kids way too much, and it is this over protection that we get over-sensitized kids that grow up to become rebellious. I never looked at my parents as role models, because I learned by what others did wrong and right.

[gtalum]

...I think we screen our kids way too much, and it is this over protection that we get over-sensitized kids that grow up to become rebellious.

One only needs to note the facts that teen and unwed pregnancies, abortions, and alcoholism are generally highest in the so-called Bible belt to see that this is completely true. Shielding kids from everything offers them no opportunity to learn to protect themselves or to moderate their behavior.

[GalvestonDuck]

Yes, the hotel should have been more discreet, but with that being said, swinging ain't all that bad. I've tried twice and loved the experience. I was single then, but still swinging ain't that bad. Would I do it now, maybe. I think we screen our kids way too much, and it is this over protection that we get over-sensitized kids that grow up to become rebellious. I never looked at my parents as role models, because I learned by what others did wrong and right.

*scratching head*

Are we talking about two different connotations of the word now? If you were single, then it wasn't swinging in the "swap" sense of the word because you had no spouse to swap. I get the impression you might be talking about the other type of swinging. Which was it with this hotel group?

[coriolis]

swinging from the chandeliers?

[Terrell]

And now that I really think about it, if you're a swinger, doesn't that mean you're intervening in someone else's marriage?

No, not if the other marriage invited you in (provided you didn't wear out your welcome)

Yeah, as long as all parties are consenting adults, I don't have a problem with it.

It's not my thing, but I won't go tell someone else they can't do it.

I wish more people thought the way you do on these types of things!!

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions!

Sure, I didn't say they weren't entitled to their own opinions. I simply said I wish people were more open-minded on these issues, I don't think that they should be forced to agree with me.

[GalvestonDuck]

And now that I really think about it, if you're a swinger, doesn't that mean you're intervening in someone else's marriage?

No, not if the other marriage invited you in (provided you didn't wear out your welcome)

How could someone be invited IN to another marriage?

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but isn't there something to be said for "forsaking all others, being faithful only to [the spouse], so long as you both shall live," vowing the above "til death do us part," and sealing it with a ring as a symbol of their unbroken circle of love?

Doesn't swinging (and especially making a lifestyle out of it) take a lot of out the true meaning of those vows?

[Skywatch_NC]

And now that I really think about it, if you're a swinger, doesn't that mean you're intervening in someone else's marriage?

No, not if the other marriage invited you in (provided you didn't wear out your welcome)

How could someone be invited IN to another marriage?

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but isn't there something to be said for "forsaking all others, being faithful only to [the spouse], so long as you both shall live," vowing the above "til death do us part," and sealing it with a ring as a symbol of their unbroken circle of love?

Doesn't swinging (and especially making a lifestyle out of it) take a lot of out the true meaning of those vows?

Yes, sadly anymore marriage vows often don't mean anything.