New record for largest US family... 17 children

Chat about anything and everything... (well almost anything) Whether it be the front porch or the pot belly stove or news of interest or a topic of your liking, this is the place to post it.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Message
Author
whereverwx
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1109
Joined: Mon May 31, 2004 10:15 pm

New record for largest US family... 17 children

#1 Postby whereverwx » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:57 pm

Ukrainian couple has 17th child, lays claim to largest US family

SACRAMENTO, United States (AFP) - Complete with proud smiles and self-conscious glances, Vladimir and Zynaida Chernenko's seventeen children were introduced to the world.

Cradled delicately in Vladimir Chernenko's thick arms was his baby, David, whose birth on December 7 gave the Ukrainian-American family the largest brood in the United States, according to the Russian language newspaper The Speaker.

"When we got married back in the Ukraine, for six month we had no children and thought we wouldn't have any kids at all," Vladimir told reporters at a celebration in Bethany Slavic Missionary Church in Sacramento.

"I never thought I would have such a family."


Vladimir said he was serving in the Ukrainian army when his wife wrote in a letter that she was pregnant.


"I said how could this happen, me in the army and she is at home pregnant?" he recalled with a laugh. "I was young then and didn't take into account we had lived together a while."


The family emigrated and settled in California seven years ago, the couple said. Vladimir is a security and maintenance worker for a charter school and the family lives in a seven-room house in Sacramento.


"It's a lot of work, and we all get tired, and it's difficult from financial point of view," Zynaida Chernenko conceded when asked if having such a large family was difficult.


"But, we overcome the fear by looking forward to our children with love."


The children, the eldest of which is 22, share duties and responsibilities, with the older ones filling in for their parents at times, the mother said.


"It takes a great deal of work to raise all of the children, on each level," Vladimir said. "Education and upbringing plays a large role, but the most important thing is love and a big heart."


It also helps to have a 15-seat mini-van and a huge dinner table, the family confided.


"I talk to my friends, and they are worried their family has only one child or two," said 18-year-old Dimitry Chernenko. "They go home to nothing. I come home from school and I'm never bored. You always have something to do."


Part of that is by parental design, the mother explained, because she and her husband make certain the children keep busy with school, chores or other tasks.


"Our goal is to raise the children so when they grow up they will not be afraid of anything in life," Zynaida said. "I think if every family approaches it that way, we will have a very healthy society."


The siblings do not squabble about portion sizes, television channels or other matters because their dad has driven home the importance of putting aside selfishness in order to survive as a family, 17-year-old Anatoliy said.


"We sit all together, put out the food and eat like a regular family," said 16-year-old Lyudmila "Sometimes we wait for each other to finish, and then feed the little kids."


The father and mother said it was difficult to estimate how much they spend weekly on food, because the money goes out as quickly as it comes in.


"It's impossible to say how many diapers we've changed, because back in the Ukraine we didn't have those things," Vladimir said. "We used other means."


The huge family group appeared to be thrilled by the presence of reporters and the notion of being on the television news.


Two-year-old Timofey, however, napped in a sister's lap as the family fielded questions and posed for pictures.


"It's cool to be called the biggest family in America."


The couple expressed thanks for the support they have received from Russian and American business people, along with their church.


When asked whether David would be her last baby, Zynaida replied: "I can't say."


"I am grateful for all my children, my wonderful husband, my friends. And, I'd like to thank my doctor."
Image
Wow, now that’s a lot to handle.
0 likes   

Brent
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 38117
Age: 37
Joined: Sun May 16, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Tulsa Oklahoma
Contact:

#2 Postby Brent » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:18 pm

:eek: :eek: :eek:
0 likes   
#neversummer

User avatar
Terrell
Category 2
Category 2
Posts: 634
Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:10 pm
Location: Orlando, Florida

#3 Postby Terrell » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:22 pm

CONDOMS, Aisle 3!!
0 likes   

Brent
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 38117
Age: 37
Joined: Sun May 16, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Tulsa Oklahoma
Contact:

#4 Postby Brent » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:49 pm

Terrell wrote:CONDOMS, Aisle 3!!


:roflmao: :fools:

Seriously... :roll:
0 likes   
#neversummer

User avatar
arkess7
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2071
Age: 52
Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:25 pm
Location: Edgewater, FL

#5 Postby arkess7 » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:06 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :roflmao: :uarrow: :uarrow:
0 likes   

CajunMama
Retired Staff
Retired Staff
Posts: 10791
Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:57 pm
Location: 30.22N, 92.05W Lafayette, LA

#6 Postby CajunMama » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:15 pm

How can a person in todays world financially support a family that size? There were times when things were tight and my dh and i just have two children. And a 17 room house? I have a nice home, a decent mortgage and i can't even begin to speculate the cost of a 17 room house in California where real estate values are high.
0 likes   

User avatar
wxmann_91
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 8013
Age: 34
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:49 pm
Location: Southern California
Contact:

#7 Postby wxmann_91 » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:49 pm

Terrell wrote:CONDOMS, Aisle 3!!


:roflmao:

Though seriously...WAY WAY WAY WAY TOO MANY KIDS!!!!
0 likes   

User avatar
gtalum
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 4749
Age: 49
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:48 pm
Location: Bradenton, FL
Contact:

#8 Postby gtalum » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:49 pm

No offense, but that's disgusting and irresposnible.
0 likes   

User avatar
streetsoldier
Retired Staff
Retired Staff
Posts: 9705
Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:33 pm
Location: Under the rainbow

#9 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:54 pm

I think it's wonderful that there are still married couples who have so much love to give, and share...I'm sure they consider the financial sacrifices worth every one of their children. "Irresponsible"? Depends on one's own perspective.

I wish that I'd had more than one to carry the family name.
0 likes   

User avatar
gtalum
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 4749
Age: 49
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:48 pm
Location: Bradenton, FL
Contact:

#10 Postby gtalum » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:09 pm

More than one is fine, but 17? It is undeniably irresponsible in a world where overpopulation is a real concern.
0 likes   

O Town
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 5205
Age: 52
Joined: Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:37 pm
Location: Orlando, Florida 28°35'35"N 81°22'55"W

#11 Postby O Town » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:24 pm

Not irresponsible at all to me. Who are we to judge them? To each his own. I think it's great they do what they are doing, and enjoy it. I bet those kids are not spoiled little brats like most kids are these days. And I bet they know what teamwork is all about as well. Not a bad thing at all in my book. I could not handle 17 myself, the 3 I have is plenty. And maybe one more down the road. :wink: But I have alot of respect for these parents, it is the worlds hardest and most important job, raising kids, and they are doing it times 17.
0 likes   

Brent
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 38117
Age: 37
Joined: Sun May 16, 2004 10:30 pm
Location: Tulsa Oklahoma
Contact:

#12 Postby Brent » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:26 pm

gtalum wrote:More than one is fine, but 17? It is undeniably irresponsible in a world where overpopulation is a real concern.


Yeah that... :uarrow:

My parents have said repeatedly in the last year 3 is all, and they wanted us spaced out(I'm 17, my sister is 12 and the baby just turned 1), that way we can take care of ourselves. My mom wouldn't have been able to handle all 3 of us close in age.
0 likes   
#neversummer

User avatar
TexasStooge
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 38127
Joined: Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:22 pm
Location: Irving (Dallas County), TX
Contact:

#13 Postby TexasStooge » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:31 pm

Terrell wrote:CONDOMS, Aisle 3!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
0 likes   
Weather Enthusiast since 1991.
- Facebook
- Twitter

User avatar
TexasStooge
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 38127
Joined: Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:22 pm
Location: Irving (Dallas County), TX
Contact:

#14 Postby TexasStooge » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:33 pm

It sure beats this family in Arkansas:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For Arkansas family, 18's not a crowd

Parents of 16 rely on faith, family to make full house run

By ARNOLD HAMILTON / The Dallas Morning News

SPRINGDALE, Ark. – Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar are baby boomers.

They may not fit the age profile of the post-World War II generation, but the numbers don't lie: They have 16 children.

Ten boys, six girls. Together, as a couple. All theirs, biologically.

And they may have more, Lord willing."We never dreamed we would have 16 children," said Mr. Duggar, a soft-spoken, 40-year-old former state lawmaker, as he surveys what Michelle lovingly refers to as their home's "serene chaos."

Now, he said, "We wouldn't have it any other way."

As a couple, the Duggars' approach to family planning is simple: They are born-again Christians who view the Bible as their life's manual – and the Bible describes children as a blessing from God. They will cheerfully accept as many blessings as God ordains.

So far, the blessings have added up to more children than all but a tiny fraction of American families have.

Life with the Duggars in the hills of northwest Arkansas is part- Little House on the Prairie, part-Yours, Mine and Ours –except the only blending in this real-life family occurs with restaurantlike precision at mealtime.

The girls – and their 39-year-old mother – don skirts or dresses (no pants) and white socks. The boys – and their father – dress most days in the same colored polo shirts and slacks or jeans, with black socks. The sameness of their attire helps with laundry and organization.

The girls embrace a similar hairstyle, long and pulled back with a clip, flowing to near their waistlines. The boys' hair is closely cropped, often cemented into position with gel.

The girls do most of the cooking, though they've been taught to change a tire and check the oil. The boys are trained to fix the cars and make home repairs, though they cook occasionally – mostly on the grill.

Against the trend

The U.S. Census Bureau's latest figures, for 2002, reveal that 0.3 percent of women ages 15 to 44 have given birth to seven or more children. Moreover, the number of U.S. women birthing seven or more children has declined steadily since the government began tracking the demographic in 1976.

In an era when the ideal family is widely viewed as two children – one girl, one boy – the Duggars are an anomaly, attracting worldwide media attention.

For two years, the Discovery Health Channel has chronicled the family through a series of documentaries. When Johanna Faith was born Oct. 11, the network's cameras captured footage for the series' next installment, to be aired in March.

In the weeks after their 16th child arrived, the couple appeared on CBS' The Early Show and NBC's Today. Mrs. Duggar did about 75 radio interviews. And the family has welcomed a steady stream of foreign journalists, including a recent visit from a three-man crew with the Korean Broadcasting System.

Inquiring minds want to know: How do they make it work? The answer: It's all about faith, finances and family. It's a system developed over their two decades together, and still evolving today.

A family begins

The Duggars met as teenagers. She was a cheerleader at the public high school here. He attended a private Christian school.

They first crossed paths when he and a friend were visiting prospects for their church, First Baptist of Springdale. She had just become Christian. They didn't see each other again until much later, when she was hired to work in a frozen yogurt shop that was managed by Mr. Duggar's mother, Mary.

The couple married just after she graduated from high school. He was 19, she 17. Neither went to college. Together, they launched a used-car business, then towing and real estate businesses. Both are licensed real estate agents.

The Duggars didn't start out to have 16 children – or more. Early on, she took birth-control pills. After their first child, son Joshua, was born in 1988, Mrs. Duggar began taking them again. Before long, she suffered a miscarriage they believed was caused by the birth control.

"We were just shocked," Mr. Duggar said. "We consider ourselves pro-life. We thought, 'What have we done?' "

They decided to let God determine the size of their family. Fifteen children later, Mrs. Duggar remains healthy and willing to keep having children. None of their children has health problems, and only one wears glasses.

Building a new home

The Duggars live temporarily in a 2,200-square-foot rented house along a busy street, not far from Interstate 540 in this town of about 50,000. They are building – debt-free – a 7,000-square-foot house in nearby Tontitown.

They don't adhere to a rigid schedule, but in an often-frenzied world with 18 people living in such tight quarters, there are daily imperatives: a midmorning Bible reading with Dad, home-school lessons with Mom.

"This place is like Grand Central Station," said Mr. Duggar's mother, Mary, a real-estate broker who often lends a hand.

Indeed, it seems solitude is a precious, elusive treasure. But it is a house of smiles. There are squabbles. But amid the chaos, there is a vibrant rhythm to life.

There is the ever-present backdrop of hymns, played on the piano by the children. Television is watched sparingly. There are rambunctious little boys chasing one another through the house, climbing onto furniture, balancing themselves on the arms of chairs.

Someone always seems to be snacking, usually on a large dill pickle, a family staple. And 4-year-old James never seems to tire of sidling up to a media visitor, tilting his head with a grin, and asking, "How many are you?"

"It's like going to a 10-ring circus," Mr. Duggar said. "It is just fun all the time."

On a recent morning, the family gathers in its spartan living room, most sitting in a circle on the light tan carpet, their legs crossed. Opening a black leather-covered King James Bible, Mr. Duggar reads a chapter from Proverbs, then stops to drive home the meaning of verses that exhort truthful speech.

"What would you think if I said, 'We're going to go to Silver Dollar City tomorrow' – then the next day, I told you, 'No, I've changed my mind; we're going to stay home and do laundry' ?"

The youngsters giggled at the thought. It was no contest: Silver Dollar City, any day. And it wouldn't have been acceptable for Dad not to make good on his word.

"Some day," Mr. Duggar said, "you guys are going to have your own family. Make sure your words are accurate."

They joined hands for prayer. Joshua thanked the Lord for Scripture and their family.

Handling expenses

The Duggars aren't unusual simply because they have so many children. They also live a frugal existence that permits Mr. Duggar to spend most of his days, right now, with his older sons, putting the finishing touches on their new home. Mrs. Duggar is a stay-at-home mom who takes the lead in home-schooling the children.

They don't have a precise budget, Mr. Duggar said, but it takes about $5,000 a month to operate their household. They live off the rental income from commercial property they own debt-free.

They have no house or car payments and no credit cards. They purchase their clothes at a thrift store that benefits the homeless in northwest Arkansas. They eat out occasionally but take advantage of the dollar menus at fast-food restaurants or the 49-cent children's meals at AQ ("Arkansas Quality") Chicken, a local favorite once frequented by former President Bill Clinton. The three older girls give the boys haircuts.

It's the fruit of a financial freedom seminar Mr. Duggar attended years ago.

"We haven't had an overabundance," he said, "but God's always met our needs."

For example, when the family moves into its new home, TLC television will be there to film a program akin to the home-makeover reality shows. Sponsors are donating food for the pantry and appliances, such as washers and dryers. Then, Discovery Health is sending the Duggars on a trip west to Disneyland and a dude ranch.

Though thrilled with the help and the trip, the couple's oldest daughter, 15-year-old Jana, said her family isn't welcoming the cameras because of the freebies or because the spotlight is coveted.

"We're able to share with others about Christ and what he's done in our lives," she said, stressing the family's primary message: "Children are a blessing and not a burden."

In the Duggars' temporary home, there is no Christmas tree or garland, no wrapped presents. It's not a protest against holiday commercialism. It's a practical matter: They must vacate their rented home by mid-January. Their new home must be inhabitable. And every extra dime they have is being poured into the new house.

"I told the kids the house is going to be our Christmas," Mr. Duggar said. "We didn't want them to think Christmas is just about gifts you're going to receive, but it's about Christ coming to earth."

Focus on youths

The Duggars may be swimming against society's tide with such a large family, but it's clear children – lots and lots of children – are at the core of their social network. They are members of a home church that numbers about 100. They are active in a home-schooling network. Their friends all seem to have lots of children; one family has nine, another six.

And there almost seems to have evolved an unofficial, loose-knit network of large families that home-school their children and attend in-home churches. Some even have volunteered time to help the Duggars complete their home by mid-January.

For example, a St. Louis family with six children recently traveled to Springdale for the weekend to help the Duggars paint the interior of the two-story, white home with green metal roof. And they planned to return to help stain cabinets throughout the house.

Joshua, the Duggars' oldest son, finished high school at age 16. He passed the state's test for a general equivalency diploma, or GED. He is considering applying to a California law school that permits distance learning. His goal: to enter politics.

His political interest was stoked during the two terms his father served in the Arkansas House. The Duggar family relocated to Little Rock during the sessions – and young Joshua often went to the Capitol with his father, where reporters dubbed him "the governor."

Mr. Duggar said he sensed God encouraging him to run for the U.S. Senate in 2003, but he lost. He now believes God's purpose was fulfilled, he said, in a most unexpected way: When he and Michelle went to vote, with 14 children in tow, an Associated Press photographer was present. The family photo appeared the next day in The New York Times.

Mrs. Duggar was contacted by Parents magazine to write a story on parenting. Discovery Health Channel then arranged to shoot the documentaries. There were more children and reporters to chronicle the new arrivals.

"This is an opportunity to share and hopefully encourage other families, not only here in America, but around the world," Mr. Duggar said.

"A lot of people are amazed to see that you have 16 healthy, beautiful children that are intelligent and all work together as a team. A lot of people are struggling with one or two."
0 likes   
Weather Enthusiast since 1991.
- Facebook
- Twitter

User avatar
coriolis
Retired Staff
Retired Staff
Posts: 8314
Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2003 10:58 pm
Location: Muncy, PA

#15 Postby coriolis » Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:35 pm

gtalum wrote:More than one is fine, but 17? It is undeniably irresponsible in a world where overpopulation is a real concern.


If they're feeding, clothing, and educating all these kids, and staying off gov't assistance, then there's nothing at all wrong with this.

Judging from the article, it appears that this family actually lives many positive values. It seems that the children have internalized values of selflessness, responsibility, hard work, sacrifice, etc, etc. I declare that this nation needs more citizens like that. If they are swelling the ranks of good citizens, that's a good thing.
0 likes   
This space for rent.

User avatar
angelwing
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 4462
Age: 64
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:06 pm
Location: Kulpsville, PA

#16 Postby angelwing » Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:20 am

[quote="coriolis
If they're feeding, clothing, and educating all these kids, and staying off gov't assistance, then there's nothing at all wrong with this.

Judging from the article, it appears that this family actually lives many positive values. It seems that the children have internalized values of selflessness, responsibility, hard work, sacrifice, etc, etc. I declare that this nation needs more citizens like that. If they are swelling the ranks of good citizens, that's a good thing.[/quote]

I totally agree with this :D
0 likes   

stormraiser
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 3453
Age: 55
Joined: Sun Oct 27, 2002 4:11 pm
Location: Southern Maryland
Contact:

#17 Postby stormraiser » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:32 pm

I knew someone growing up that had 21 children. That beats 7, don't it?

Maybe it's a record now adays, but not so in the not so distant past.
0 likes   

User avatar
gtalum
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 4749
Age: 49
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:48 pm
Location: Bradenton, FL
Contact:

#18 Postby gtalum » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:01 pm

O Town wrote:Not irresponsible at all to me. Who are we to judge them?


Thi sis America, w ecan judge whomever we want. ;)

To each his own. I think it's great they do what they are doing, and enjoy it.


But in the meantime they drtive us closer to serious overpopulation problems. Irresponsible.
0 likes   

User avatar
streetsoldier
Retired Staff
Retired Staff
Posts: 9705
Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:33 pm
Location: Under the rainbow

#19 Postby streetsoldier » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:13 pm

"Serious overpopulation"...?

Are you aware that, if all the people in recorded history were alive today, and each given 3 square feet of space to stand, these people would cover an area the size of ARIZONA?

That's right, Arizona. Check your National Geographic back-issues.
0 likes   

User avatar
gtalum
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 4749
Age: 49
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:48 pm
Location: Bradenton, FL
Contact:

#20 Postby gtalum » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:21 pm

Yes, I am aware of that, but the physical space needed to live is the least of the problems of overpopulation.
0 likes   


Return to “Off Topic”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests