Poll: Which Threads/Discussions Need to Die?

[Jim Cantore]

The very few proven facts in hurricane science

[joe_koehle]

such as?

[Terrell]

I voted for the was Katrina a 3/4/5/6 as the thread that should die. She did WAY too much damage to talk about downgrading her, in my opinion.

[Brent]

Since you asked...

Solar weather
Katrina intensity debate
OMG The ITCZ... we're all gonna die
The Camille debate
Joe Bastardi

[WindRunner]

The ITCZ one. The rest are actually good arguments (most of the time), and the JB ones are always interesting until they get out of hand, which is usually rather quickly.

I'm ot sure why you put the solar discussion up there, though. There is rarely anyone that bothers to reply that doesn't applaud what Jim does, and I for one appreciate hearing his calls in such a developing field of science. But I guess not everyone enjoys them as much as some of us do, so you had to put it up there.

[joe_koehle]

i think the space weather stuff is interesting...the only reason i included it was because there seems to be a dedicated cadre of regulars in the tropics forum that freak anytime space weather enters the discussion

[quandary]

The ITCZ discussion isn't bannable in my opinion. I just think it is rather silly because the ITCZ isn't hyperactive at the moment and even when it looks hyperactive, nothing is coming out of it. If there's a strong wave out there, then yes, we should discuss the ITCZ.

[quandary]

The Camille discussion is interesting because the true intensity is up in the air. The Katrina discussion doesn't make sense because, unless we are arguing that the equipment is faulty, just because there was extreme damage doesn't say anything to the strength of the storm. It could be lower construction standards, previous weaknesses, prolonged exposure, etc.

Now if we are arguing that Katrina was stronger because the equipment used to measure that it was 100kts is faulty or because it was able to mix downwards well because of good convection or low pressure or something (perhaps not entirely meterologically sound), then it is still a good debate.

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

Regarding this thread:
"Oh my god! look at the ITCZ! There's so much convection there!"

There's nothing wrong with this topic coming from a weather novice...
but I guess since so many are downright INTOLERANT of weather
novice questions like this- we say
" NO you big idiot! There's supposed to be lots of convection
about the ITCZ" instead of teaching people in a constructive,
polite matter...

GRRR....

[Rainband]

Regarding this thread:
"Oh my god! look at the ITCZ! There's so much convection there!"

There's nothing wrong with this topic coming from a weather novice...
but I guess since so many are downright INTOLERANT of weather
novice questions like this- we say
" NO you big idiot! There's supposed to be lots of convection
about the ITCZ" instead of teaching people in a constructive,
polite matter...

Bravo

[WindRunner]

i think the space weather stuff is interesting...the only reason i included it was because there seems to be a dedicated cadre of regulars in the tropics forum that freak anytime space weather enters the discussion

That's what I thought you had it up there for.

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

The best thing to do is to be open to all the topics
mentioned in this poll...or stay away from any topics
you don't like...but bringing stuff into opprobrious light by
asking which topics ought to die is just not the right thing
to do...because people often put a lot of effort into their discussions
and would not appreciate seeing their efforts reduced to dead posts- no offense to the original poster of this thread...

I know the intent of the original poster was not to ridicule anyone...
and I think the stop-the-JB-bashing option is excellent with this
poll...because it promotes discussion w/o bashing...but the other
options unnecessarily bring other topics into a pejorative light
despite the innocuous intent of the original poster

[Lindaloo]

The Camille discussion is interesting because the true intensity is up in the air. The Katrina discussion doesn't make sense because, unless we are arguing that the equipment is faulty, just because there was extreme damage doesn't say anything to the strength of the storm. It could be lower construction standards, previous weaknesses, prolonged exposure, etc.

Now if we are arguing that Katrina was stronger because the equipment used to measure that it was 100kts is faulty or because it was able to mix downwards well because of good convection or low pressure or something (perhaps not entirely meterologically sound), then it is still a good debate.

I can assure you that codes are well enforced here. Besides, with the surge that the coast experienced does not matter how much up to code you are.

[senorpepr]

Here's my take, for what it's worth:

The debate on Katrina's intensity, or any other storm for that matter, is great, but we run into the issue of the same people arguing over the same topics. Some people will have their opinion, regardless on how much of their opinion is backed up on facts/emotions, and there is nothing that can be changed. Even if the NHC maintains or changes a storm's intensity, some's emotions will never sway. That is life.

As for the doomsday scenarios, sure--they may get old at times if repeating frequently, but maybe someone out "there" will see the scenario (remember, some media organizations do view Storm2k) and maybe research it further and relay information onto their customers/viewers.

As for Mr. Bastardi... opinions are opinions. I think I've spent enough time on that subject.

The Greek Alphabet conversations will die down soon anyway. Only a handful of days left until the end of the year and changes are, we won't see very many Greek storms ever in our lifetimes. Of course, the topic will pop up again when the retired 2005 names are released. Depending on what happens, there will be conversation over whether or not Beta should have or not have been retired.

Regarding solar weather, as a broad topic, it is very important. Anyone who dismisses the impacts of solar weather on Earth is ignorant. Having dealt in the field slightly, but professionally, over the past few years--I know how critical solar weather can be.

Now... as for it's relationship to tropical activity--that is something that is rather new. While I don't know much on that realm of solar weather, it would be bad to prematurely dismiss it. If a person doesn't want to listen to conversation regarding solar weather's influence on tropical cyclones--then don't read it! Some people are interested in it. I'd love to see further research on the subject.

As for those quickly dismissing it, next time you're bored with a "lull" in tropical activity, I would suggest doing some reading on the subject. If not the tropical cyclone aspect of it, at least the broad subject of solar weather. Solar weather is a very new part of meteorology and, in today's era of technology, a very important one. With space assests growing by the minute, solar weather will continue to be a very critical area of research in the world of meteorology.

I've leave with this thought to ponder of the solar weather subject (no, it doesn't involve tropical cyclones): A solar flare, if strong enough and aimed enough toward Earth, can not only affect the Global Positioning Satellites (GPS) themself, but the flare's associated solar wind can adjust the thickness of the Earth's Magnetosphere. Many weapons that the world's militaries (friendly and enemy) utilize GPS data in the targeting. A shift in the Magnetosphere or an error by the satellite itself can potentially cause the weapon to stray off-target. Predicting and analysizing solar activity can make the difference in whether a bomb strikes an enemy or a school full of children.

[vbhoutex]

You left out a very important one for the voting!!! NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Take this however you(everyone, noone in particular). This is a weather discussion forum and we encourage discussion of the weather and what influences the weather in anyway. There may be a few exceptions, but not many. I too get tired of some of the discussions, so I move on to something else or don't comment. We did not form this site to discuorage discussion, but to encourage it. JMHO.

And yes I would love to see some of the discussions listed be put to rest, but this is not about that person is wrong and I'm right, it is about getting evrything out there and discussed.

[Lindaloo]

Well said, David!!

[terstorm1012]

Agreed with the none of the above---but the JB BAshing has got to go.

Personally I think the solar weather thread is the most fascinating one on here. Jim Huges has done excellent work doing research into it and there are alot of correlations that he's found. I do hope he continues to post them here. The sun DOES drive all energy on the planet...all of it. Even the oil used for your car/heating fuel.

[Jim Cantore]

Look theres so much convection there! thats what needs to go the most in my opinion at this point.

Forget it we are done this season it was a heck of a run

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

nothing wrong with the convection thread- its an observation for
weather purposes...

[f5]

what ever happened to those threads about a boring season?