Ivan The Terrible Article from USA Today on 11-24-05

[iceangel]

I sure hope we don't get another Ivan clone!!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... m?csp=N009

[Jim Cantore]

Hard to believe

Until Katrina Ivan was the worst hurricane I'd seen since I started Tracking in 1996 (I consider Ivan worse then Charley)

People in New Orleans, Southeast Lousiana, and the Mississippi coast may be homeless for several years which I couldn't imagine being in that situation

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Ivan was bad but Katrina was a million times worst.

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

Ivan was catastrophic. Katrina was even more catastrophic.
It's really bad when storms like this hit land...

[HURAKAN]

Ivan was catastrophic, Katrina was a pandemonium.

[krysof]

Ivan was catastrophic, Katrina was a pandemonium.

I don't get it: what made Ivan so special, he was a minimal Category 3. Why didn't Dennis get that bad?

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Dennis was small thats why. In Ivan was 5 times its size.

[krysof]

Dennis was small thats why. In Ivan was 5 times its size.

what was Ivan's size compared to Katrina?

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

I think slightly smaller then Katrina but right up there.

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

Ivan was catastrophic, Katrina was a pandemonium.

I don't get it: what made Ivan so special, he was a minimal Category 3. Why didn't Dennis get that bad?

1. Ivan was much larger than Dennis in terms of hurricane force
windfield...allowing it to generate a larger more widespread
surge as well as a larger windfield of damage
2. Ivan was a category 5 in the GOM with that large windfield
that allowed it to develop the large surge in the first place
3. Ivan produced a large number of deadly tornadoes...

[Ivanhater]

also ivan lasted much longer than dennis, dennis was bad, but only for about an hour

[wxmann_91]

also ivan lasted much longer than dennis, dennis was bad, but only for about an hour

And Ivan moved much slower than Dennis.

[docjoe]

also ivan lasted much longer than dennis, dennis was bad, but only for about an hour

I agree. I live out of a flood area so surge isnt an issue for me. However I live just a few miles due north of where Dennis made landfall. For a brief period we had the worst of the eyewall. In my opinion the winds of Dennis were underrated...not by the NHC but by the media. Dennis' main impact was to a primarily rural county so he was somewhat dismissed because he "wasnt that bad in pensacola" It was definitely underreported. Also the core of Dennis completely missed all weather reporting stations due to its small size. For us though Dennis brought significantly higher windsthan Ivan. . General consensus from unofficial reports showed a pressure in the low to mid 940s and a brief period of sustained 110-115 MPH winds in our area.

docjoe

[Ivanhater]

also ivan lasted much longer than dennis, dennis was bad, but only for about an hour

I agree. I live out of a flood area so surge isnt an issue for me. However I live just a few miles due north of where Dennis made landfall. For a brief period we had the worst of the eyewall. In my opinion the winds of Dennis were underrated...not by the NHC but by the media. Dennis' main impact was to a primarily rural county so he was somewhat dismissed because he "wasnt that bad in pensacola" It was definitely underreported. Also the core of Dennis completely missed all weather reporting stations due to its small size. For us though Dennis brought significantly higher windsthan Ivan. . General consensus from unofficial reports showed a pressure in the low to mid 940s and a brief period of sustained 110-115 MPH winds in our area.

docjoe

good point, i remember waiting for dennis as it was making landfall, and i said this feels like a tropical storm, then when that tiny eye wall came onshore, it was like someone turned on a switch and all heck broke loose., ivan gutted my grandparents house on pensacola beach, but dennis tore the roof off..dennis was bad indeed

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

Dennis was bad even far away from center. All those tornadoes
that came in those squalls that pummelled the FL West Coast...here
where I live maximum gusts were 58 mph officially..but there was
an unofficial gust to hurricane force (that might have been due to tornado)...

[f5]

ZCZC MIATCPAT4 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE DENNIS INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 25B
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
2 PM CDT SUN JUL 10 2005

...CATEGORY THREE HURRICANE DENNIS WITHIN AN HOUR OR SO OF
LANDFALL...

A HURRICANE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT ALONG THE NORTHEASTERN COAST
OF THE GULF OF MEXICO FROM THE OCHLOCKONEE RIVER WESTWARD TO THE
MOUTH OF THE PEARL RIVER.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM WEST OF THE PEARL
RIVER TO GRAND ISLE...INCLUDING METROPOLITAN NEW ORLEANS AND LAKE
PONTCHARTRAIN...AND FROM EAST OF THE OCHLOCKONEE RIVER TO LONGBOAT
KEY FLORIDA.

PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD ALREADY HAVE BEEN
COMPLETED.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE
INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED
BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

AT 2 PM CDT...1900Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE DENNIS WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 30.2 NORTH...LONGITUDE 87.0 WEST OR ABOUT 20 MILES
EAST-SOUTHEAST OF PENSACOLA FLORIDA.

DENNIS IS MOVING JUST WEST OF DUE NORTH NEAR 17 MPH...AND A GENERAL
NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD MOTION IS EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS. THE
EYEWALL OF DENNIS IS JUST NOW REACHING THE COAST...AND THE CENTER
OF DENNIS IS EXPECTED TO MAKE LANDFALL JUST EAST OF PENSACOLA
WITHIN THE NEXT HOUR OR SO.

DENNIS CONTINUES TO SLOWLY WEAKEN...AND MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE
NOW NEAR 120 MPH...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. DENNIS IS NOW A CATEGORY
THREE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE. NO
SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS EXPECTED PRIOR TO LANDFALL.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 40 MILES FROM THE
CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 230 MILES. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ASSOCIATED WITH DENNIS MAY
OCCUR AS FAR AS 100 TO 150 MILES INLAND ALONG THE TRACK OF THE
HURRICANE.

THE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY RECONNAISSANCE
AIRCRAFT WAS 943 MB...27.85 INCHES.

STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 10 TO 15 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS...
ACCOMPANIED BY LARGE AND DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...IS POSSIBLE
NEAR AND JUST TO THE EAST OF WHERE THE CENTER OF DENNIS CROSSES THE
NORTHERN GULF COAST. A STORM SURGE OF 4 TO 6 FEET IS LIKELY
ELSEWHERE IN THE HURRICANE WARNING AREA TO THE EAST OF THE CENTER.

DENNIS IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOTAL RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 5 TO
10 INCHES OVER THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE...ALABAMA...EASTERN
MISSISSIPPI...AND SOUTHWESTERN GEORGIA. ISOLATED MAXIMUM RAINFALL
AMOUNTS TO NEAR 15 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE NEAR WHERE DENNIS MAKES
LANDFALL.

ISOLATED TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE TODAY OVER THE WEST-CENTRAL FLORIDA
PENINSULA...THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE...WESTERN GEORGIA AND CENTRAL AND
SOUTHERN ALABAMA.

REPEATING THE 2 PM CDT POSITION...30.2 N... 87.0 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...JUST WEST OF DUE NORTH NEAR 17 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED
WINDS...120 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 943 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER AT 4 PM CDT.

FORECASTER FRANKLIN

Dennis had a small wind core Ivan had Hurricane force winds out 100 miles on either side.thats why Ivan was worst.also Ivan was a CAT 5 dennis wasn't