NHC has had problems this year.....

[Stormcenter]

For some reason the NHC has had a problem this entire season measuring winds to correspond to the low pressure in storms. I think it's time to replace the equipment on those NHC hunter planes or the mets on them.

[rockyman]

Let me get this straight...because the winds do not correspond to what YOU think they should be, we should replace the mets on board? I know you did the smiley face thing and that is supposed to make it all OK, but I find that comment insulting to the fine people who risk their lives flying into hurricanes to protect you and me

[wxwatcher2]

We currently have more information available to us on these storms than at anytime in the past. Sure, technology is increasing however, the one thing the NHC keeps saying over and over and over and over again is that while the track forecasts are getting much more refined, it is much more difficult to forecast intensity.
As a concerned citizen who is ocassionaly in the path of these stoms, I want to know if it's a Cat 1,2,3,4,or5 of course I do. But I don't have a beef with the NHC at this point in time.
I think we expect perfection from an imperfect science.

[Aquawind]

For some reason the NHC has had a problem this entire season measuring winds to correspond to the low pressure in storms. I think it's time to replace the equipment on those NHC hunter planes or the mets on them.

Geeesh... put the pipe away.

Paul

[bobbutts]

Let me get this straight...because the winds do not correspond to what YOU think they should be, we should replace the mets on board? I know you did the smiley face thing and that is supposed to make it all OK, but I find that comment insulting to the fine people who risk their lives flying into hurricanes to protect you and me

Just a small point but seems that flying on these missions is actually quite safe.

[jlauderdal]

For some reason the NHC has had a problem this entire season measuring winds to correspond to the low pressure in storms. I think it's time to replace the equipment on those NHC hunter planes or the mets on them.

Geeesh... put the pipe away.

Paul

the pipe isnt the problem, its that junky stuff he has in it.

[rockyman]

Let me get this straight...because the winds do not correspond to what YOU think they should be, we should replace the mets on board? I know you did the smiley face thing and that is supposed to make it all OK, but I find that comment insulting to the fine people who risk their lives flying into hurricanes to protect you and me

Just a small point but seems that flying on these missions is actually quite safe.

I agree...that point was small.

[SkeetoBite]

I agree they have had problems.

1. Budget cuts
2. Aging equipment
3. Attacks by the private sector
4. Legislation to limit their ability to report to the public
5. Enduring outright lies by a certain Senator about their performance with Katrina vs. Florida
6. taking a bashing from critics sitting safely in front of their computers that couldn't make even the most remote guess as to what is about to happen.
7. Listening to baseless comments from halfwits who are suddenly experts in meteorology, aviation, statellite orbit tasking, ocean science and any other thing they can find to critique.

Nobody is perfect. Give these guys the break they deserve.

[inotherwords]

I agree they have had problems.

1. Budget cuts
2. Aging equipment
3. Attacks by the private sector
4. Legislation to limit their ability to report to the public
5. Enduring outright lies by a certain Senator about their performance with Katrina vs. Florida
6. taking a bashing from critics sitting safely in front of their computers that couldn't make even the most remote guess as to what is about to happen.
7. Listening to baseless comments from halfwits who are suddenly experts in meteorology, aviation, statellite orbit tasking, ocean science and any other thing they can find to critique.

Nobody is perfect. Give these guys the break they deserve.

:::applause:::

Not only should we give them a break, we need to give them more money, because they provide a critical service to homeland security. These are incredibly smart people who love what they do and who work harder and smarter than anyone here can ever imagine with extremely limited resources. These guys deserve our respect, not insults and armchair second-guessing from the ignorant.

[EDR1222]

I definately believe they need more funding. With that said, I still believe they do an outstanding job! There track forecasts have been excellent all season.

[StormFury]

I think we should all have the right to point out the mistakes of others, like the NHC and so forth. However, we should keep our criticism as mild as possible. Opinions are opinions. Without letting people express their criticism is a type of censorship that will make Storm2k less interesting. So let the bashing begin.

[JamesFromMaine2]

I think we should all have the right to point out the mistakes of others, like the NHC and so forth. However, we should keep our criticism as mild as possible. Opinions are opinions. Without letting people express their criticism is a type of censorship that will make Storm2k less interesting. So let the bashing begin.

ok if your going to bash the nhc or any one else then lets see you do the things the nhc does every single day and do it as well as they do! and if you are going to point out things they are doing wrong or whatever then atleast give some ideas on how to fix it! It is important to look at ways we can make things better but it can be done in a nice way with out firing any one looks the orginal poster was saying should be done!

[Derek Ortt]

people,

please disregard this post by storm center

the winds are not as high as he is saying

[jlauderdal]

people,

please disregard this post by storm center

the winds are not as high as he is saying

i dont like his post but i dont see where he gave an actual wind speed,

[cjrciadt]

I think these low pressure gradient storms are just driving us bonkers one after another. We got used to Cat1 starting at 990mb, TD at 1005mb, and Cat5 at 930mb. I did before this year, but learned that is just a myth, but these low pressrue gradient storms drive me nuts.

[Stormcenter]

Let me get this straight...because the winds do not correspond to what YOU think they should be, we should replace the mets on board? I know you did the smiley face thing and that is supposed to make it all OK, but I find that comment insulting to the fine people who risk their lives flying into hurricanes to protect you and me

It's a fact the NHC has made the SAME statement throughout this entire season in their discussions about storm. I NOT making this up so what is the problem? I think you are taking way to personal.

[Stormcenter]

For some reason the NHC has had a problem this entire season measuring winds to correspond to the low pressure in storms. I think it's time to replace the equipment on those NHC hunter planes or the mets on them.

Geeesh... put the pipe away.

Paul

the pipe isnt the problem, its that junky stuff he has in it.

Not even worth responding to.

[dhweather]

There's a valid point here - how many times have we seen recon
crippled by equipment failures and other problems? There's been
quite a few.

The Miami Herald reports that the NHC is in near-desperate need of
more equipment. Failing dropsondes, buoys out of commission and not
enough of them, the list goes on and on.

Bottom line - we need to spend extra money on NOAA/NHC to get them
up to modern standards, and raise their funding long term to continue
that work.

[Stormcenter]

I think we should all have the right to point out the mistakes of others, like the NHC and so forth. However, we should keep our criticism as mild as possible. Opinions are opinions. Without letting people express their criticism is a type of censorship that will make Storm2k less interesting. So let the bashing begin.

Finally a sensible post on this board. I was just stating a fact. The NHC has had issues with measuring winds to correspond with pressure readings. It happened in Cindy, Katrina, Rita and now Wilma.
I'm pretty sure there were others I missed. I wasn't bashing but make everyone awhere of an obvious problem they've had. If they (NHC)need more funding to upgrade their equipment then so be it or if we have issues with the mets (it happens in every profession) then they need to be replaced.

[vbhoutex]

I think we should all have the right to point out the mistakes of others, like the NHC and so forth. However, we should keep our criticism as mild as possible. Opinions are opinions. Without letting people express their criticism is a type of censorship that will make Storm2k less interesting. So let the bashing begin.

Think again!!! Discussion of problems due to funding is one thing. bashing is a different ballgame.

BASHING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!!!

I definately believe they need more funding. With that said, I still believe they do an outstanding job! There track forecasts have been excellent all season.

and they readily admit that their intensity forecasts leave a lto to be desired. I think we have had a very strange season and have seen some things we haven't before in regards to winds and their mixing to the surface and/or their measurement. IMO, the funding for NOAA/NHC should be at least doubled.