UPDATE: 1,400 dead after mudslide from Stan in Guatemala

[Buck]

This is horrible.

[f5]

this is truely incredible

we could have 5 retired storms this year


Dennis: maybe
Emily: maybe
Katrina: definite
Rita: maybe
Stan: maybe

Actually, I'd say all 5 are most likely.

Dennis: Category 4 landfalls on Cuba, causing massive devastation. Category 3 landfall on the U.S.

Emily: Category 4 (or at least 3) landfall on Yucatan and Category 3 landfall on Mexican gulf coast. Damage severe at second landfall.

Katrina: Category 1 landfall on southern Florida and Category 4 landfall on Gulf coast. Catastrophic damage.

Rita: Category 3 landfall on Louisiana. Severe damage.

Stan: Category 1 landfall on Mexico and widespread flooding.

don't forget Rita had an 897mb pressure

[Buck]

Dennis, Katrina, and Rita are most definitely retired. Emily and Stan have a 96% chance.

[f5]

Stan:don't take weak Hurricanes lightly

[superfly]

Dennis, Katrina, and Rita are most definitely retired. Emily and Stan have a 96% chance.

If the 1400+ death toll is true, Stan is 100% gone.

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

He is now more deadly then Katrina.

[HurricaneBill]

Dennis, Katrina, and Rita are most definitely retired. Emily and Stan have a 96% chance.

Emily had two major landfalls. She'll be retired.

[Buck]

Hello... 96% chance is only me saying that if any of them won't be, it's these two. I totally, fully, completely am convinced that all 5 will be. There are still some nay-sayers out there, though.

[mtm4319]

Who's to say all these deaths are from Stan and Stan alone? There was another system in the Pacific that moved into the Gulf of Tehuantepec that I think caused at least some of the flooding.

Also, the most recent article on Yahoo News about this states a death toll of 500, with 337 missing.

[gilbert88]

Who's to say all these deaths are from Stan and Stan alone? There was another system in the Pacific that moved into the Gulf of Tehuantepec that I think caused at least some of the flooding.

What difference does it make?

[mtm4319]

Who's to say all these deaths are from Stan and Stan alone? There was another system in the Pacific that moved into the Gulf of Tehuantepec that I think caused at least some of the flooding.

What difference does it make?

If the primary cause of the mudslides was just tropical moisture, with very little influence from Stan, then retirement would be questionable. The Yahoo news article states that "Guatemala has borne the brunt of heavy rains exacerbated by Hurricane Stan". I still think it will be retired though.

[gilbert88]

Who's to say all these deaths are from Stan and Stan alone? There was another system in the Pacific that moved into the Gulf of Tehuantepec that I think caused at least some of the flooding.

What difference does it make?

If the primary cause of the mudslides was just tropical moisture, with very little influence from Stan, then retirement would be questionable. The Yahoo news article states that "Guatemala has borne the brunt of heavy rains exacerbated by Hurricane Stan". I still think it will be retired though.

In that (very unlikely IMHO) case, Stan would be retired for deaths and damage in Mexico alone.

[markymark8]

This is awful. What gets me though is how quick they are getting their body counts compared to Hurricane Katrinas. This does not make any sense!!! Why are we so slow???

[Persepone]

Does anyone have a link or source for ANY news from IPALA, Guatemala?

Need to know about someone who lives there... Can't find any news!

It is "near" Chiquimula.

Please send any information you might have in English or Spanish (or French in unlikely event you have information in that language)

Thanks.

[cycloneye]

Does anyone have a link or source for ANY news from IPALA, Guatemala?

Need to know about someone who lives there... Can't find any news!

It is "near" Chiquimula.

Please send any information you might have in English or Spanish (or French in unlikely event you have information in that language)

Thanks.

Spanish news from Guatemala.


http://www.lahora.com.gt/05/10/08/index.html

[Persepone]

Thanks Cycloneye... the photos on Prensa Libre (link from the page you sent) are pretty amazing--but still looking for that one village (and ultimately a face in a photo....)

[WindRunner]

Who's to say all these deaths are from Stan and Stan alone? There was another system in the Pacific that moved into the Gulf of Tehuantepec that I think caused at least some of the flooding.

What difference does it make?

If the primary cause of the mudslides was just tropical moisture, with very little influence from Stan, then retirement would be questionable. The Yahoo news article states that "Guatemala has borne the brunt of heavy rains exacerbated by Hurricane Stan". I still think it will be retired though.

Especially since that disturbance is where Stan went after crossing over Mexico. He provided a great bit of energy to 90E.

[Brent]

I believe that disturbance was primarily with Stan's moisture(remember the flareup in the NW Caribbean started that way too). So even if it's responsible, if Stan had never been there, it likely wouldn't have happened.

[bombarderoazul]

This is awful. What gets me though is how quick they are getting their body counts compared to Hurricane Katrinas. This does not make any sense!!! Why are we so slow???

The US goverment does the same in Iraq, in reality more soldiers die on average per day, but the casualty count grows very slow so as not to cause the us population to criticize the goverment.