What were reports for Tyler Co TX durring rita?

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What were reports for Tyler Co TX durring rita?

#1 Postby njoynit » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:48 pm

I live in woodville TX Tyler co.I'm actually outside of woodville heading west I'm about 8 miles from woodville airport then off 190 10 miles back in woods.we cut our way out with chainsaws.trees down everywhere.I felt my floors shake and the wind howl& firechief says we had winds of 100-125 MPH and a few gusts up to 145 MPH.not much rain but at least 7 inches(gage was full& over flowed)I did see a lil lighting about 6:38 am to the west.we lost 5 whole trees which one just barely missed the house and another is leaning towars house to be removed when hwe find another 14 in chain for chainsaw.I'm on generator...a nice added cost of $15 a day to run house but much better than extension cords....hope the cold front speeds up.I'm really enjoying sleeping on the porch.

Hope everyone else was safe.Next hurricane season will save at least 5 30 gallon trash cans of water.73 gallons did work out....but idiots around me didn't save water or gas...some didn't even know she was comeing.looting goes on nightly.
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#2 Postby hicksta » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:37 pm

No way bro, your so far inland theres no way yall even had gusts at 100.
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#3 Postby Brent » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:54 pm

You probably barely had 70-75 mph sustained and maybe some gusts in the 90-100 mph range... this was when the eye was passing a little east of you:

BULLETIN
HURRICANE RITA ADVISORY NUMBER 28
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
10 AM CDT SAT SEP 24 2005

...RITA LOSING PUNCH FAST...EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TORRENTIAL RAINS
DURING THE NEXT FEW DAYS...

AT 10 AM CDT...1500Z...THE HURRICANE WARNING FROM HIGH ISLAND TEXAS
TO MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA HAS BEEN DOWNGRADED TO TROPICAL STORM
WARNING.

AT 10 AM CDT...1500Z...THE TROPICAL STORM WARNING FOR THE
SOUTHEASTERN COAST OF LOUISIANA EAST OF MORGAN CITY TO THE MOUTH OF
THE PEARL RIVER...INCLUDING METROPOLITAN NEW ORLEANS AND LAKE
PONTCHARTRAIN HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE
INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED
BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

AT 10 AM CDT...1500Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE RITA WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 31.0 NORTH...LONGITUDE 94.3 WEST...NEAR JASPER TEXAS.

RITA IS MOVING TOWARD THE NORTH NEAR 12 MPH AND THIS MOTION IS
EXPECTED TO CONTINUE DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE DECREASED TO NEAR 75 MPH WITH HIGHER
GUSTS.

RITA IS A CATEGORY ONE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE.
WEAKENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 35 MILES FROM THE
CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 140 MILES.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 960 MB...28.35 INCHES.

THE COASTAL STORM FLOODING SHOULD BEGIN TO SLOWLY SUBSIDE TODAY.
HOWEVER...TIDES ALONG THE SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA AND MISSISSIPPI
COASTS IN AREAS AFFECTED BY KATRINA COULD BE 4 TO 6 FEET ABOVE
NORMAL AND BE ACCOMPANIED BY LARGE WAVES... AND RESIDENTS THERE ARE
EXPERIENCING COASTAL FLOODING. LARGE SWELLS GENERATED BY RITA WILL
LIKELY CONTINUE TO AFFECT MOST PORTIONS OF THE GULF COAST.

RITA'S SLOW MOVEMENT IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE VERY HEAVY RAINS
OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS...WITH RAINFALL TOTALS OF 10 TO 15 INCHES
POSSIBLE ACROSS EASTERN TEXAS...WESTERN LOUISIANA AND SOUTHERN
ARKANSAS. MAXIMUM RAINFALL TOTALS IN EXCESS OF 25 INCHES MAY OCCUR
OVER LOCALIZED AREAS. RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 3 TO 5 INCHES WITH
ISOLATED HEAVIER AMOUNTS ARE POSSIBLE OVER SOUTHEASTERN LOUISIANA
INCLUDING METROPOLITAN NEW ORLEANS.

ISOLATED TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE TODAY AND TONIGHT OVER FAR EASTERN
TEXAS...LOUISIANA...SOUTHERN ARKANSAS...AND MISSISSIPPI.

REPEATING THE 10 AM CDT POSITION...31.0 N... 94.3 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...NORTH NEAR 12 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS... 75 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 960 MB.

AN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER AT 1 PM CDT FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY AT 4 PM
CDT.

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#4 Postby jasons2k » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:55 pm

hicksta wrote:No way bro, your so far inland theres no way yall even had gusts at 100.


The Lake Livingston dam much farther north and west (away from the center and inland) than Lumberton measured gusts to 117mph.
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#5 Postby Brent » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:57 pm

jschlitz wrote:
hicksta wrote:No way bro, your so far inland theres no way yall even had gusts at 100.


The Lake Livingston dam much farther north and west (away from the center and inland) than Lumberton measured gusts to 117mph.


I'm VERY skeptical of that report... I know it recorded it, but I very seriously doubt the winds were that strong.
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#6 Postby KatDaddy » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:05 pm

At least 100MPH or higher in Woodville

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/shv/Hurricane_R ... kWinds.htm
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#7 Postby vbhoutex » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:06 pm

Brent wrote:
jschlitz wrote:
hicksta wrote:No way bro, your so far inland theres no way yall even had gusts at 100.


The Lake Livingston dam much farther north and west (away from the center and inland) than Lumberton measured gusts to 117mph.


I'm VERY skeptical of that report... I know it recorded it, but I very seriously doubt the winds were that strong.


Brent if you saw the damage done around the lake and the heighth of the waves on the lake I think you would change your mind. Houses had chimneys blown over etc. With a 10 mile stretch of lake(ie no obstructions) to cross a gust to 117 mph would not surpise me. Other reports in the area were also in that range. I believe some of the official reports were posted elsewhere. Don't know if NWS has finished with all of the reports at this time or not.

Southerngale was in Jasper when it hit and where she was staying walls and roofs were blown out.

Don't get me wrong, I am VERY skeptical of 145 mph gusts also, but the 117 was on the anemometer at Lake Livingston Dam, not someones home set up or an estimate.
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#8 Postby CajunMama » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:50 pm

Southerngale told me that in Jasper, before she lost radio/tv that 87mph sustained were being reported...and that wasn't at the Rita's peak. I believe I am quoting her correctly. If I talk to her tonight I will verify this.
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#9 Postby jasons2k » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:03 pm

Brent wrote:
jschlitz wrote:
hicksta wrote:No way bro, your so far inland theres no way yall even had gusts at 100.


The Lake Livingston dam much farther north and west (away from the center and inland) than Lumberton measured gusts to 117mph.


I'm VERY skeptical of that report... I know it recorded it, but I very seriously doubt the winds were that strong.


From NWS Houston/Galveston:

AT THE DAM ON LAKE LIVINGSTON THEY REPORTED A WIND GUST OF 117 MPH WAS REPORTED AROUND 530 AM. THIS WIND SENSOR WAS ON THE DAM AND THE WIND WAS BLOWING ACROSS THE LAKE. WITH THE REDUCED FRICTION THIS GUST REPORT IS REASONABLE. THE STRONG WIND BLOWING ALONG THE LAKE CREATED A STORM SURGE OF APPROXIMATELY 1.5 FEET AT THE DAM. THIS HIGH WATER AND THE WAVE ACTION DAMAGED THE DAM WHICH REQUIRED EMERGENCY RELEASES FROM THE LAKE TO STABILIZE THE DAM.
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#10 Postby hicksta » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:06 pm

LOCATION: PEAK WIND GUST:

SAM RAYBURN RESERVOIR, TX ~100 MPH
CENTER, TX ~ 85 MPH
SHREVEPORT, LA 53 MPH
TEXARKANA, AR 52 MPH
LONGVIEW, TX 51 MPH
DOWNTOWN SHREVEPORT, LA 49 MPH
TYLER, TX 49 MPH
IDABEL, OK 49 MPH
EL DORADO, AR 46 MPH
MONROE, LA 43 MPH
BROKEN BOW, OK 36 MPH
DEQUEEN, AR 33 MPH
MOUNT HERMAN, OK 27 MPH
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#11 Postby Brent » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:20 pm

jschlitz wrote:From NWS Houston/Galveston:

AT THE DAM ON LAKE LIVINGSTON THEY REPORTED A WIND GUST OF 117 MPH WAS REPORTED AROUND 530 AM. THIS WIND SENSOR WAS ON THE DAM AND THE WIND WAS BLOWING ACROSS THE LAKE. WITH THE REDUCED FRICTION THIS GUST REPORT IS REASONABLE. THE STRONG WIND BLOWING ALONG THE LAKE CREATED A STORM SURGE OF APPROXIMATELY 1.5 FEET AT THE DAM. THIS HIGH WATER AND THE WAVE ACTION DAMAGED THE DAM WHICH REQUIRED EMERGENCY RELEASES FROM THE LAKE TO STABILIZE THE DAM.


OK... that makes sense. Nothing to block the wind. But in the city with trees and buildings, it wasn't even close to that.

I think it was higher than 49 mph though... remember most wind instruments fail before the strongest winds hit.
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#12 Postby KatDaddy » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:22 pm

Tyler County is not Tyler, Texas. Tyler is in NE TX and Tyler County is in SE TX
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#13 Postby njoynit » Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:09 pm

I seen the damage over in livingston yesaterday and looks like they just got a few trees and branches.the damage in my area looks alot like Jasper areas.its mostly the big old mature trees that uprooted and pines and other trees just snapped off.We just seen our 1st power crews yesterday repairing lines(and power not soon they say6 weeks...maybe)power crews say they're were 100-125 MPH winds& that yes that woodville airport did report a gust of 145,but was mostly lower 100 MPH range for a good hour-40 minutes.
I went into livingston for the 1st time yesterday.lots of damage like our area going towards reservation,then it all seems to be on right side of road.We cut our way out with chainsaw& Lisa down the road lost over 50 trees& most her vehiles are damaged,but the one she evac'd in to lufkin.Her parents/grandparents have lived back here since the 20s& say was worse than 61.

I've seen 75 MPH winds back here before& it did NOT look anything like what RITA did.she really redesigned some yards/houses/vehicles& roads.trees are snapped with power lines twisted in them& in some cases ripped off houses.a few lost entire roofs.1 guy had a new roof 2 yrs ago and lost decking,tar paper AND shingles.its a huge skylight now.he's storeing stuff in others houses& the church.

I actually thought it was over earlier....then all He!! broke loose
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#14 Postby jeff » Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:34 pm

Here is the story with the 117mph gust at Lake Livingston.

There is a USGS gage at the dam that records wind and a second Trinity River Authority wind gage (LCD readout) also at the dam. They are independant of each other.

The USGS gage recorded sustained winds of 62mph before the gage began to malfunction. This malfunction was caused by lake water driven by the strong winds surging into the gage hut and wave action breaking near the hut. Water spilled out of the hut when the USGS inspected the equipment after the hurricane. The USGS gage does not record peak winds, only sustained winds. I have reviewed the hard data from the USGS gage and roughly a 2 hour period during the worst conditions is useless.

The LCD records only the highest wind recorded durning a period. Personel were at the building watching the LCD during the event and said they saw both a 113mph and then a 117mph peak wind gust around 545am Saturday monring 9/24. It is currently being looked at if any kind of record was kept by the equipment or a nearby jail that was using the wind data also at the time.
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#15 Postby southerngale » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:21 pm

I believe it. Not only have I seen some of the damage in Jasper county, but I was awake through the whole, long event in the city of Jasper. We had a battery operated radio on that kept going on and off the air. They recorded 87mph (gusts I assume) hours before the eye reportedly went over Jasper. Then it got a lot worse. We were getting high winds while the center was still over water, although I don't know what they were at that time. Reports show that Jasper got 100-120mph winds although I don't know what the sustained winds were. I can tell you first hand that the winds uprooted large trees like twigs (many of which landed on houses), peeled off roofs, bent steel poles, knocked down numerous power lines, blew out many signs, destroyed some structures, etc. The damage there was incredible, particularly for being so far inland.
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