Camille /1935 Labor day

[Charles-KD5ZSM]

then the 1935 labor day Hurricane probably had max sustanied winds at 225 mph with gust to 250 beacuse the pressure was lower than Camille's even though they were the same size

The pressure is not the only factor...Read some of the above posts...

I agree with you stratosphere747. They also don't classify a storm on pressure, just wind speed. I have a recorded show off of the history channel of the Galveston 1900, Labor Day 1935, and Camille. The Labor Day hurricane had 892mb but only had sustained winds of 180, just 10 mph slower than Camille. Also, take Katrina and Rita into thought, Katrina and Rita both went below Camille's pressure of 907mb, but they did not reach the 190 mark even though they were close.

[Stratosphere747]

then the 1935 labor day Hurricane probably had max sustanied winds at 225 mph with gust to 250 beacuse the pressure was lower than Camille's even though they were the same size

The pressure is not the only factor...Read some of the above posts...

I agree with you stratosphere747. They also don't classify a storm on pressure, just wind speed. I have a recorded show off of the history channel of the Galveston 1900, Labor Day 1935, and Camille. The Labor Day hurricane had 892mb but only had sustained winds of 180, just 10 mph slower than Camille. Also, take Katrina and Rita into thought, Katrina and Rita both went below Camille's pressure of 907mb, but they did not reach the 190 mark even though they were close.

Charles...

I think quite a few amateurs *raises hand* gets caught up in specific parameters far to much, and try to draw conclusions based solely on them.
Pressure and SST's seem to head the list. Of course I recognize the fact you need both for the elite hurricanes.

In respect to what we seem to be discussing here, the conclusion is that just because of the pressure reading, it has to have attained a certain level. Senorpeper and Recurve make great points about the gradient and its effect.

For what it's worth. Fay and Frances were minimal Tropical storms, but the winds and especially the surge we experienced in the Surfside/Freeport area were enhanced by the pressure gradient.

Scott

[f5]

Rita and Espically Katrina those ladies were overweight

[Normandy]

Bah.
Ill never be convinced Camille was any stronger than Rita or Katrina at their peak.

[wxmann_91]

One cannot use winds to determine a hurricane's strength, as the gradient is what determines it.

Pressure should be used for the intensity of a storm, hands down.

And this ties in with Derek's topic of Katrina's intensity at landfall. If you look at Katrina, she was a 918 mb storm when she made landfall. Isabel was at her peak only 3 mb stronger. A 918 mb storm does 918 mb damage. That is a lot of damage, even if it only had 115 mph winds.

So, if you ask, what was stronger, Katrina or Camille, my answer would be Katrina. Though Camille had higher winds, Katrina was stronger cause it had lower pressure.

[f5]

One cannot use winds to determine a hurricane's strength, as the gradient is what determines it.

Pressure should be used for the intensity of a storm, hands down.

And this ties in with Derek's topic of Katrina's intensity at landfall. If you look at Katrina, she was a 918 mb storm when she made landfall. Isabel was at her peak only 3 mb stronger. A 918 mb storm does 918 mb damage. That is a lot of damage, even if it only had 115 mph winds.

So, if you ask, what was stronger, Katrina or Camille, my answer would be Katrina. Though Camille had higher winds, Katrina was stronger cause it had lower pressure.

Katrina was 918 mb Camille was 909 mb it was just that Katrina was a giant size hurricane same thing with Rita

[timNms]

Bah.
Ill never be convinced Camille was any stronger than Rita or Katrina at their peak.

Tell that to the hurricane hunters who flew into her.

[f5]

Bah.
Ill never be convinced Camille was any stronger than Rita or Katrina at their peak.

Tell that to the hurricane hunters who flew into her.

wind wise yes but pressure wise Camille got smoked espically by Rita 897 mb first time the GOM had a sub 900mb storm

[tornadochaser86]

when is labor day?

[Charles-KD5ZSM]

then the 1935 labor day Hurricane probably had max sustanied winds at 225 mph with gust to 250 beacuse the pressure was lower than Camille's even though they were the same size

The pressure is not the only factor...Read some of the above posts...

I agree with you stratosphere747. They also don't classify a storm on pressure, just wind speed. I have a recorded show off of the history channel of the Galveston 1900, Labor Day 1935, and Camille. The Labor Day hurricane had 892mb but only had sustained winds of 180, just 10 mph slower than Camille. Also, take Katrina and Rita into thought, Katrina and Rita both went below Camille's pressure of 907mb, but they did not reach the 190 mark even though they were close.

Charles...

I think quite a few amateurs *raises hand* gets caught up in specific parameters far to much, and try to draw conclusions based solely on them.
Pressure and SST's seem to head the list. Of course I recognize the fact you need both for the elite hurricanes.

In respect to what we seem to be discussing here, the conclusion is that just because of the pressure reading, it has to have attained a certain level. Senorpeper and Recurve make great points about the gradient and its effect.

For what it's worth. Fay and Frances were minimal Tropical storms, but the winds and especially the surge we experienced in the Surfside/Freeport area were enhanced by the pressure gradient.

Scott

Scott,

Let me rephrase what i said:
I agree with you stratosphere747. They also don't catagorize a storm on pressure, just wind speed when determining what cat it is. I have a recorded show off of the history channel of the Galveston 1900, Labor Day 1935, and Camille. The Labor Day hurricane had 892mb but only had sustained winds of 180, just 10 mph slower than Camille. Also, take Katrina and Rita into thought, Katrina and Rita both went below Camille's pressure of 907mb, but they did not reach the 190 mark even though they were close. The reason these storms didn't reach the wind speeds of Camille and the Labor Day hurricane was that Katrina and Rita were more Spread out and covered a bigger area. Another factor was that their eye's were bigger than Camille's. Camille's eye was only 6 miles wide at landfall. When Camille lowered its pressure, the eye got smaller and concentrated the winds near the center. If I confused any body or if I still am, i'm sorry. It is hard to concentrate with only a few hours of sleep every night since Katrina hit. When I'm tired I tend to word things differently from what I'm thinking. But I do know what I am talking about considering I am only a freshman Met student. We talk about this stuff and discuss it in class.

[Recurve]

when is labor day?

The date must change every year, it's an always-on-Monday holiday in September.

The Great Labor Day Hurricane made landfall in the Upper Keys on Monday, Sept. 2, 1935.

[Stratosphere747]

then the 1935 labor day Hurricane probably had max sustanied winds at 225 mph with gust to 250 beacuse the pressure was lower than Camille's even though they were the same size

The pressure is not the only factor...Read some of the above posts...

I agree with you stratosphere747. They also don't classify a storm on pressure, just wind speed. I have a recorded show off of the history channel of the Galveston 1900, Labor Day 1935, and Camille. The Labor Day hurricane had 892mb but only had sustained winds of 180, just 10 mph slower than Camille. Also, take Katrina and Rita into thought, Katrina and Rita both went below Camille's pressure of 907mb, but they did not reach the 190 mark even though they were close.

Charles...

I think quite a few amateurs *raises hand* gets caught up in specific parameters far to much, and try to draw conclusions based solely on them.
Pressure and SST's seem to head the list. Of course I recognize the fact you need both for the elite hurricanes.

In respect to what we seem to be discussing here, the conclusion is that just because of the pressure reading, it has to have attained a certain level. Senorpeper and Recurve make great points about the gradient and its effect.

For what it's worth. Fay and Frances were minimal Tropical storms, but the winds and especially the surge we experienced in the Surfside/Freeport area were enhanced by the pressure gradient.

Scott

Scott,

Let me rephrase what i said:
I agree with you stratosphere747. They also don't catagorize a storm on pressure, just wind speed when determining what cat it is. I have a recorded show off of the history channel of the Galveston 1900, Labor Day 1935, and Camille. The Labor Day hurricane had 892mb but only had sustained winds of 180, just 10 mph slower than Camille. Also, take Katrina and Rita into thought, Katrina and Rita both went below Camille's pressure of 907mb, but they did not reach the 190 mark even though they were close. The reason these storms didn't reach the wind speeds of Camille and the Labor Day hurricane was that Katrina and Rita were more Spread out and covered a bigger area. Another factor was that their eye's were bigger than Camille's. Camille's eye was only 6 miles wide at landfall. When Camille lowered its pressure, the eye got smaller and concentrated the winds near the center. If I confused any body or if I still am, i'm sorry. It is hard to concentrate with only a few hours of sleep every night since Katrina hit. When I'm tired I tend to word things differently from what I'm thinking. But I do know what I am talking about considering I am only a freshman Met student. We talk about this stuff and discuss it in class.

LOL....Charles, I was agreeing with you and trying to make a point to others that were zeroing in on just one parameter...

Scott

[Charles-KD5ZSM]

then the 1935 labor day Hurricane probably had max sustanied winds at 225 mph with gust to 250 beacuse the pressure was lower than Camille's even though they were the same size

The pressure is not the only factor...Read some of the above posts...

I agree with you stratosphere747. They also don't classify a storm on pressure, just wind speed. I have a recorded show off of the history channel of the Galveston 1900, Labor Day 1935, and Camille. The Labor Day hurricane had 892mb but only had sustained winds of 180, just 10 mph slower than Camille. Also, take Katrina and Rita into thought, Katrina and Rita both went below Camille's pressure of 907mb, but they did not reach the 190 mark even though they were close.

Charles...

I think quite a few amateurs *raises hand* gets caught up in specific parameters far to much, and try to draw conclusions based solely on them.
Pressure and SST's seem to head the list. Of course I recognize the fact you need both for the elite hurricanes.

In respect to what we seem to be discussing here, the conclusion is that just because of the pressure reading, it has to have attained a certain level. Senorpeper and Recurve make great points about the gradient and its effect.

For what it's worth. Fay and Frances were minimal Tropical storms, but the winds and especially the surge we experienced in the Surfside/Freeport area were enhanced by the pressure gradient.

Scott

Scott,

Let me rephrase what i said:
I agree with you stratosphere747. They also don't catagorize a storm on pressure, just wind speed when determining what cat it is. I have a recorded show off of the history channel of the Galveston 1900, Labor Day 1935, and Camille. The Labor Day hurricane had 892mb but only had sustained winds of 180, just 10 mph slower than Camille. Also, take Katrina and Rita into thought, Katrina and Rita both went below Camille's pressure of 907mb, but they did not reach the 190 mark even though they were close. The reason these storms didn't reach the wind speeds of Camille and the Labor Day hurricane was that Katrina and Rita were more Spread out and covered a bigger area. Another factor was that their eye's were bigger than Camille's. Camille's eye was only 6 miles wide at landfall. When Camille lowered its pressure, the eye got smaller and concentrated the winds near the center. If I confused any body or if I still am, i'm sorry. It is hard to concentrate with only a few hours of sleep every night since Katrina hit. When I'm tired I tend to word things differently from what I'm thinking. But I do know what I am talking about considering I am only a freshman Met student. We talk about this stuff and discuss it in class.

LOL....Charles, I was agreeing with you and trying to make a point to others that were zeroing in on just one parameter...

Scott

Sorry, man. Like I said in my post: no sleep=no concentration. Maybe after the season is over i will get some sleep. I tend to get a little grouchy sometimes when I'm tired.

[Charles-KD5ZSM]

Bah.
Ill never be convinced Camille was any stronger than Rita or Katrina at their peak.

Tell that to the hurricane hunters who flew into her.

Camille was the only hurricane that I can recall to rip a engine off of a WC130 out at Keesler AFB. The hunters had to make an emergency landing in Huston, TX. Camille was accually stronger before it made landfall at 190mph sustained.

[WeatherEmperor]

wow that is insane.

<RICKY>