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#1 Postby azsnowman » Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:21 am

With natural gas prices ALREADY at record highs here in Az. (up some 71% over this time last year :eek: ) just curious, what do you heat your house with?

Me....wood burning stove :wink: We have propane forced air but THAT only runs approx. 10 minutes in the morning "IF" the fire goes out overnight, if it hasn't, the furnace NEVER runs, at $2.50 a gallon NOW (up from $2.00 a gallon 3 weeks ago) I seriously DOUBT the furnace will run at ALL, PERIOD. Now we cook with propane and our water heater is propane but a full tank, 250 gallons, will last us a year!!

FYI....if it doesn't cool off SOON, we may not NEED ALL the wood we cut over the past 3 weeks!

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#2 Postby Jack8631 » Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:27 am

My home is all electric. I have a wood burning stove in the den that will heat the entire house if used properly.

Dennis, you're a better man than me. I can't even think about cutting wood until this heat breaks! :lol:
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#3 Postby azsnowman » Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:38 am

LOL @ Jack.....we had a "cold spell" about 2 weeks ago, highs in the lower 50's to upper 40's..... lows in mid 20's :eek: it FELT like wood cutting season......my wife and I cut 4 cords of aspen and 1 cord of aligator bark Juniper. NOW....it's BACK to summer like temps, highs in the uppers 70's to upper 80's with lows in the 50's but at least the woods in for the winter.......I love getting my wood EARLY, I kick back and watch the rest of the mountain top SCRAMBLE to find wood when the snow starts flying, ya know, WHY do people WAIT "UNTIL" it snows to cut wood? I don't get it......

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#4 Postby streetsoldier » Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:49 am

We're all-electric here...but some homes do have propane tanks for heating/cooking.
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#5 Postby coriolis » Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:17 am

This house is is oil in the old part and electric in the addition. Since the cost of electric isn't going up as much, we might put the electric heaters up full blast and go easy on the oil this year.

Even this summer, with the A/C, our electric bills haven't been too bad. Our electric utility has a Coal-burning plants and is a part owner of a N-Plant.
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#6 Postby Miss Mary » Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:35 am

Gas furnace and hot water heater. Wood burning FP but hubby isn't the pryro type. Hates building fires, too much work. Years ago, we'd have a build a fire day.....turning off the furnace, turning on the furnace fan, opening all the bedroom doors, raising all the blinds on windows that faced south. It had to be a bright, sunny cold day and we'd keep a fire going about 8 or 10 hours then. To save on our gas and electric bill.

We added a gas FP in the finished basement we worked on last year. But that's not going to be a savings now, if prices skyrocket.

Finally, about 5 years ago when natural gas prices went way up, we kept our thermostat on 65, all winter long. Never raising it, ever. We all just got used to wearing warmer clothes (me personally - light weight thermal pants, first thing when I got up, I'd tuck my socks inside and put on warm cords), slippers, etc. Added benefit - we all slept better, b/c the bedrooms were on the cool side. I should add that the back of our house contains the rooms we live in most - kitchen, breakfast nook, family room, with pocket doors that close off areas we don't heat (formal living and dining rooms). This area has about 9 windows, all facing south. No blocking trees or awnings on the windows. On a sunny day, even if the thermostat is set on 65, it can get up to 72. It's only early in the morning and after sundown, you feel chilled. That's when you make a cup of hot tea. And throw on a sweater. Or veg on the couch under a fleece throw.

Our highest bill that winter was $370. My brother-in-law's by comparison, was over $750! His wife refused to lower the thermostat below 72 (and I suspect she upped it even more). She thought we were barbarians to settle for 65! Until I told her what our bill was.....LOL

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#7 Postby O Town » Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:54 am

Miss Mary wrote:Our highest bill that winter was $370. My brother-in-law's by comparison, was over $750! His wife refused to lower the thermostat below 72 (and I suspect she upped it even more). She thought we were barbarians to settle for 65! Until I told her what our bill was.....LOL

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Holy tolito!! I had no idea that gas prices were so high. We are all electric, but I always thought gas was cheaper. I guess maybe where I live it is, because it seems it's just the winter months that get ya'll. Lord we complain in the summer when our electric bill is over $200 from running our air non stop. In the winter it goes down signifantly. WOW guys, I think I would be making fires for sure, I love a good fire in the fireplace but I guess if I had to do it daily to keep me warm it would get tiresome. Just curious, do you have to pay for wood to burn or do you guys go out and get it on your own? Have no idea how that works in the North. I guess it would depend on if you lived in the city or not. I know here if you go buy wood it is expensive, and could be just as bad as the bills you guys are getting to run the gas. Good luck guys.
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#8 Postby Miss Mary » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:05 am

Bear in mind this was the winter where gas prices really spiked. I want to say it was the winter of 2000-01? Or 2001-02? That was for January also, our coldest winter month usually, for utility bills. December and February were lower.

Our average highest winter bill after that was usually around $250. Same with either July or August. But this summer was very hot and temps were above 85, for weeks. Our highest summer bill so far has been $320. Last one back to the mid $250's. Several family members have allergies so we have to run the A/C. And we close off registers in rooms we do not use much. We also use the reverse winter temp thinking - we keep it on 78.

Meanwhile over at my BIL's house they used to keep it on 72 in the summer too! They've split up so he can now keep it much higher. Sometimes he doesn't even run the A/C (you can tell the wife moved out, when it's stifling hot over there!).

So it's not as bad as it sounds. Local utility companies predict very high heating prices this winter. I KNOW we'll lower the thermostat to 65 again. This is going to sound very odd but we really did feel better back then - the air felt cleaner, crisper, not too hot at times (when trying to fall asleep). That is going to sound very wacky!

All of this reminds me of an excellent article in a home decorating magazine I read years ago. I really wished I had saved it. Can't even remember the title now..........a single female home owner living out west, where summers are very hot and dry, and winters can get very snowy and cold, decided to custom build her retirement home. She was in her 50 by then, having never married. The entire house was less than 1,000 sq. foot, quite modest by size. Since she wanted to build an energy efficient home, it was decided it would be adobe. The walls were a foot thick. She intentionally placed the rooms in the back of the house, where she spent most of her time, facing south (like we did at our house). This is where she had her eat in kitchen (no formal dining room) and family/living room. Lots of big window. The front had an air lock area, staircase to the second floor (two modest bedrooms, 2 bathrooms). The entire front contained bathrooms, laundry room and hallway to the garage. With small windows. Best feature of all - she had radiant heating below her tiled floors (thruout the house). She stated the heated floors, where rooms are often the chilliest, were the warmest. And very comfortable. She had a backup heating system (baseboard heating I think), but rarely had to turn it on, even in brutal winters. The radiant floor heating heated the entire house. And the best part - her monthly bills were less than $60. Compared to her neighbors who had first of all huge homes and bills in the $200 to $300 range. For the flip side, her home was very cool in the summer, since the walls were a foot thick. I can't recall if she needed A/C. I know she had it for a backup if it was too hot.

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#9 Postby azsnowman » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:13 am

O Town....luckily, we cut our own wood, there's times that I don't "feel like" going out to cut a load of wood, when we buy a load it's like $140 a cord, NOW....consider our insulation values, R-32 in the ceiling and floor, R-19 in the walls with 2"x6" construction, a cord will last us OVER 6 weeks, SO....when you break that down, our heating bills run about $40 a month 8-) We have a VERY efficent woodstove, load it before bedtime with 3 logs and it's STILL hot in the morning. There are times when we will cook a meal on the woodstove, really, beans, soups etc.

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#10 Postby O Town » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:21 am

Interesting. So if you decided to buy it instead of chopping it then, and strictley used your stove then you would save a good bit on the bill. How cool to cook on it as well. Thanks for the info. I have no idea how people live up north in general. My whole family lives here and have back a few generations. My grandma lived in Alambama for some time, but that is not the north for sure. Thanks again for answering. 8-)
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#11 Postby azsnowman » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:27 am

No problem Otown :wink:

Let's see, this year, we cut all of our wood, even the Aligator Bark Juniper......the cost per cord of wood when we cut is as follows:

Wood permit: $5 a cord....4 cord minimun
Gas for the pickup per cord: $15
Gas/oil for the chainsaw: Approx. $2


So......that's $22 a cord for the wood we cut and like I said, a cord will "normally" last us 6 weeks of course, it DEPENDS a GREAT deal on the weather too, last winter was VERY cold, we burned about a cord every 5 weeks.

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#12 Postby arkess7 » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:52 am

we have a gas furnace and hot water heater here as well....but we also have a fireplace...which i love.....it keeps the whole living room warm.....but if we dont want to run the heat i have little heater fans in my bedrooms....so either way im spending on gas or electric.......uggg!!! and yes firewood can be expensive down here for sure.....last winter alot of people tried using wood from all the trees that fell in the hurricanes....but alot of it you couldnt use because it was still to FRESH and not dryed out enough yet....so hopefully those people that stocked up last year after the hurricanes.their wood is nice and dryed out!!!! :wink:
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#13 Postby azskyman » Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:03 am

The secret for you, Dennis, is to find a way to push some of the valley floor warmth up your direction in the wintertime.

We have lived in the desert of Arizona for 8 years, and our home does not have access to any natural gas, so it is all electric. Admittedly, I put a high efficiency heat pump in this spring (the old unit was 14 years old), but I have to tell you that the cost of electricity at our house has gone DOWN and is now at its lowest point in the 8 years. We started with $195 a month and are down to $133 a month (we pay the same amt each month year around) which includes 6 continuous months of AC with NO downtime plus the entire pump and filter system for our pool.

No kids at our house, so the washer/dryer and dishwasher don't get used much.

During October - December, I expect our usage to be minimal. In January and February, the heat kicks on for a bit in the AM...but otherwise does not run except during cloudy and rainy cycles.

Since moving here, I have been surprised by both the cost of electricity and the cost of water, both of which could probably be twice as high and I would still think in a bargain for living on the Sonoran Desert floor.
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#14 Postby Pburgh » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:27 am

I have an internal heater called "hot flashes"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek:

Seriously, I pay the price for my meltdowns in the summer with high AC bills, but in the winter my furnace kicks on very seldom.
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#15 Postby Miss Mary » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:38 am

Karan!!! You sound like my SIL who lives in Chicago. She is never cold up there and we're talking Chicago! She keeps saying just wait. I ask how long has this been going on, she'll say for several years. I have very warm winter clothing, wool sweater, cords, I'm just a major freeze cat every winter. But if I dress well each morning, I'm warm all day long. If I ever have that internal furnace problem, wow, I'll have to buy a whole new winter wardrobe!!! LOL

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#16 Postby Skywatch_NC » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:39 am

All electric here...but we do have a gas log fireplace for those REAL frigid evenings!

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#17 Postby GrimReaper » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:44 am

I'm with "O-Town"..don't worry about heat sources in the Winter too much. We've got a great fireplace with the heatilator fans, and that keeps all the living areas pretty toasty when necessary. If it gets down into the 30's or 20's, then we supplement with those new ceramic oil heaters that look like the old fashioned steam radiators. They use very little electricity and are filled with vegatable oil , plus they can't fall over and start a fire. But on REALLY cold nights... Grim just puts on the fur-lined cloak... and has a three dog night...lol!!
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#18 Postby Miss Mary » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:59 am

I knew your post wasn't going to be all serious Grim.....3 dog night.....~howling~ here......

That was bad.....LOL

My mom bought a large oil lamp for her kitchen table. Now she has a small, one bedroom apt., but she wears it makes her apt. feel warmer, when it's lit at night, in the dead of winter. I keep thinking I need to buy one for power outages. Not that we have them a lot. There's an Amish Furniture store at a nearby Flea Market. They make and sell lazy susans, with a wooden handrail around the edge, and a circular depression in the middle, for an oil lamp. Also has a napkin/salt/pepper container. It comes with the lamp in fact, but it has this frilly lamp shade, that's just too much. I'd have to change that or put a glass shade on it. But each time I see it, I think, how clever. It can't get knocked over.

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#19 Postby chicagopizza » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:06 pm

We have all electric. I think seeing my mom's gas bills scared me off from gas heat. The ideal place for us would be all electric with a wood buring fireplace!!
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#20 Postby azskyman » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:09 pm

My 90-year-old father, bless his heart, is not looking forward to this winter. For the last few years, he has run his gas oven when the furnace can't keep up. We certainly worry about that from a safety standpoint, and now we worry about it from a financial standpoint.

He's been known to turn the thermostat WAY down in order to keep the $$$ in his pocket instead of going out the window.

He and I are going to have a heart-to-heart about that before real winter hits in north central Illinois.
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