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#41 Postby Brent » Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:09 pm

wxmann_91 wrote:
Brent wrote:
mettski wrote:
huricanwatcher wrote:where are you getting that there wasnt a storm surge... dont assume that its way too early....


on cnn: next to a river where they were expecting 10-15ft. was about 1ft.


That was in Beaumont... the eye went east. NO SURGE west of the eye.


Just because the eye went east doesn't mean there is no surge, I mean look at New Orleans during Katrina. It just means that the surge will be weaker and come in slower than if the hurricane comes in to the west.


New Orleans also had a lake to it's north and sits below sea level. Wind was coming off the lake as the eye passed...
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#42 Postby Frank2 » Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:28 am

Re: jburns's post

Doing something "in vain" (in this case, my mention of those who died in the fire) is an old expression, meaning that this entire incident should not have happened in the first place.

Considering that apparently the nursing home these poor souls lived in was spared any damage, those who panicked and decide to place them on this bus, perhaps did so without giving consideration to what a move like can do to someone who is elderly and frail.

It's understandable that the facility might have been in a mandatory evacuation zone, and that those responsible for the care of these patients were only doing what they were told to do, but, we'll probably never know if this nursing home was in an area not part of a mandatory evaculation, and whether the evacuation of these patients only being done, because the administrators of this facility were worried that not moving them would be something they would later regret.

Again, as mentioned in my original post (and as others have told me many times in my own life) that a great deal of discretion and prayerful discernment must be used before placing innocents in harm's way, out of what could amount to a misguided decision.

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#43 Postby recmod » Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:42 am

Ok, I already posted this in another thread, but I will post here. The attached photo of Cameron, Louisiana taken early this morning will forever put an end to the ridiculous "Rita was a pussycat with no storm-surge" comments.

It appears that Cameron has been completely wiped away....

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--Lou
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#44 Postby LAwxrgal » Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:47 am

:uarrow: That picture is worth a thousand words. Cameron appears to be, if it isn't Ground Zero, it's pretty close to it.

That town is gone, wiped completely off the map.

And we still don't know the full extent of the damage in this area because parts of it are still inaccessible.

Once again a Cat 3 hurricane has come in with a Cat 5+ storm surge.
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#45 Postby O Town » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:08 am

recmod wrote:It appears that Cameron has been completely wiped away....


--Lou
Wow! :cry:
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#46 Postby cjrciadt » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:10 am

Wow, that exceeded storm surge damage of Ivan at Pensacola.
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#47 Postby vbhoutex » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:14 am

vbhoutex wrote:The evac that we had in the Houston area was necessary. You can't leave hundreds of thousands of people in harms way waiting to see if the storm is actually going to hit you head on. It takes way to long to evac the surge prone areas to wait. It is a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. If the public officials had not ordered the evacs and Rita had hit the Houston area head on or to our West a little heads would be rolling for not doing the right thing. The biggest problem with the evacs was that at least half of those who left were not in mandatory evac areas. Unfortunately you can't tell people that they can't leave if they want to. IMO, Houston area public officials did a great job of handling the evacuation and responding to problems as they arose.


Frank, the evacuation in Houston was staged for areas A, B, C and was announced over and over by the local media. Unfortunately there are in those three surge zones at least 500,000 people. The general public, even here in Houston which has experienced Hurricanes and tropical cyclones many times, is very, very uneducated as to the effects of a Hurricane and there in lies the problem. Also, people, unfortunately, panic when they hear there is a monster hurricane headed their way. Literally millions who were not in evac zones decided they had to leave too. If someone can come up with a way to make those that are not in mandatory evac zones stay home at least until the mandatory zones are cleared I'd love to see it happen so the evac plans can be worked correctly. As far as the nursing home bus is concerned, it was not in a mandatory evac zone. That evacuation was part of the homes policy as I understand it. Most of those on the bus were on oxygen or some other mechanical assistive devices so they needed to be in an area where electricity was available. I truly wish there was a way to keep those who aren't in mandatory evac zones from beginning evacs until those that are have been able to leave. But the question remains, especially in a country where we pride ourselves on free will, How do you tell people that they can not evacuate. It is indeed a tough problem.
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#48 Postby Garnetcat5 » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:31 am

I was not in an evac zone. Richmond, TX. but chose to go after seeing projected eye coming over us and on to katy and upward. Having a father that has cardiac history and just got out of hos. with pnem. decided not to risk his health in case of power outages. I do have the right and an obligation to my father to make a responsible decision to ensure his health and safety. He paid for that decision as the trip was long and stressful and probably worse for him than staying home would have been. He was so swollen by the time we reached Temple I was terrified. We are going to look into a generator...the trip via no a/c because of gas shortage is too dangerous...staying home may be too dangerous...really no good answer. I don't think I will go again...
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#49 Postby simplykristi » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:36 am

The biggest problem with evacuating Houston was not utilizing contra-flow quickly enough.

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#50 Postby vbhoutex » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:39 am

I cannot disagree with you Kristi. Also, GarnetCat5, know that you made the best decision you could with the information you had. I pray all is well and improving now. I would have probably made the same decision you did in the same situation.
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#51 Postby jlauderdal » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:42 am

In the last few years sofla has significantly reduced the evacuation zones based on new modeling techniques for storm surge. I am on the edge of a mandatory 3 and higher evac zone and can tell you it is highly unlikely I leave unless its a 4 or higher. Did anyone hear the story of the guy that didnt evac for rita and the water rose and he went up in the attack with his shotgun and shot 3 times and blew a hole in his roof to get out. Geez!!
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#52 Postby simplykristi » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:45 am

Yes, I saw that on TV. Did you see the video he shot of his home as the water was rising?

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#53 Postby LAwxrgal » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:48 am

:uarrow: My gosh, did some of these people watch ANY TV in the last 3 weeks? :roll: Rooftop rescue after rooftop rescue took place... sheesh
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#54 Postby Garnetcat5 » Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:30 am

Thanks VB....we are home putting everything back....hopefully it is safe to do so.....*closing eyes* don't want to know if anything else is out there yet..hehehhe...appreciate the prayers...Dad is still sleeping...he's exhausted! Mom is resting too...girls scattered off with friends..hmm...could that be cuz there's work to be done...have tons of sticks and leaves and branches to gather and burn...oh well..I can burn off the last of my nervous energy...
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#55 Postby storms in NC » Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:49 am

LAwxrgal wrote::uarrow: My gosh, did some of these people watch ANY TV in the last 3 weeks? :roll: Rooftop rescue after rooftop rescue took place... sheesh


No! to tell the truth I was to busy to watch TV when I was down in La. If I got any news it was from someone at home here. So No I didn't see any of it. Heard of it happening that was all. I think there is alot that didn't see it for no lights for 3 weeks. We got lights on the 20th. Still a lot that don't have lights yet.
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#56 Postby arkess7 » Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:50 am

recmod wrote:Ok, I already posted this in another thread, but I will post here. The attached photo of Cameron, Louisiana taken early this morning will forever put an end to the ridiculous "Rita was a pussycat with no storm-surge" comments.

It appears that Cameron has been completely wiped away....

--Lou


HOW AWFUL :cry: I hope and pray everyone got out.. :(
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#57 Postby SouthernWx » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:00 am

mettski wrote:a pussycat compared to Katrina. Problem is, a lot of people evac'd for nothing and will probably ride out the next one. Not even a storm surge, whats all that about ? NHC got it so wrong.


If Rita had tracked only slightly westward ("left of track"), and had slammed directly into Galveston Bay and Houston, the damage would have IMO rivaled Katrina's along the Gulf Coast. Rita was about the same central pressure level as Hugo and Carla....and would have been catastrophic in a highly populated coastal area.......

I venture an educated guess the immediate coastal areas from Sea Rim state park eastward to Vermillion Bay have been obliterated by a massive storm surge; IMO Cameron Parish no longer exists :(

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