Does 1933 actually hold the record?

[Astro_man92]

Well to start this there have been not really many thread questioning 1933's record but it is still probably getting annoying and if it is i'm sorry. I'm creating a new thread because the last one of these threads was made early last month or so and it would be a hassle to dig it up.

So to actually start this I'm goign to present a map (below) of the 1933 Hurricane season



ahh the great 1933 storm season or is it?? soposodley it has had 21 storms. How do we know that some of those storms where actually Strong normal Thunderstorms? How did they know the track of the storm? How about the actual intensity? Maybe with the stonger storms the instuments failed and they asumed the wind speed? there are these questions and others that i have. now can someone post some truley hardcore evidence that every storm exept 1 made land fall. Can any one prove at least 20 of these existed. I bet you'd only be able to to prove 5 at most. I'd agree with 15 maybe but I bet most of these storms are totally bogus. Can anyone prove this info or at least half of it? and don't give me that well the tech was primitive. I know that that is why i'm posting this.


for the poll it is mainly a yes or no awsner it is your opinion it doesn't have to be right so if your not sure choose the one that calls out to you. If that doesn't work flip a coin. don't have one then just pick one out of the blue

[brunota2003]

well thats like saying the years before that were completely bogus to, so, what, we just throw those years out to??? how can we prove those fish storms then to? Ship reports, ahhh what a wonderful thing... a cat 4 t-storm??? must be on steriods...

[WindRunner]

I'd support the numbers, as even though some of these storms were probably just strong waves or depressions and some of them followed extremely weird tracks, (look at storm 19 as it goes around the Yucatan) but you must remember, as others have said, that there were probably many "unseen" storms like Maria and Philippe have been. So, while I doubt the track and strength accuracy, I feel that the number can be seen as about right.

[O Town]

I'd support the numbers, as even though some of these storms were probably just strong waves or depressions and some of them followed extremely weird tracks, (look at storm 19 as it goes around the Yucatan) but you must remember, as others have said, that there were probably many "unseen" storms like Maria and Philippe have been. So, while I doubt the track and strength accuracy, I feel that the number can be seen as about right.

I agree. So even if some of the landing ones where not full fledge hurricanes, maybe just tropical depressions, if you add in the storms that where fish and unseen then the number will probably be the same if not higher.

[gpickett00]

Yeah I don't believe it either. Intensity no. Point where it first became a depression no. Track no. Number of total storms no.

[gpickett00]

that seasons full of crap too check it out

[WeatherEmperor]

well certainly 1933 holds the record for the number of storms but not named storms as storms werent named back then.

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[wxmann_91]

What is the question? Is it what the poll says ("Are the 1933 storms valid?") or what the title says ("Does 1933 hold the record?")

The first question, definately no.

The second question, yes, because some storms weren't counted, and some are not really storms or are repeats of the same storm, so in the end it all evens out. Most likely 1933 had 20-22 storms (1 or 2 off), which would still be the record.

[nequad]

In reality, anything before satellite imagery has to be questioned. However, I think it's safe to assume that the official records have been made with the up most care and extensive research. If anything, pre-satellite seasons probably don't show all the TC activity that occured.(i.e. open ocean storms that never crossed paths with a ship...thus no record.)

[HURAKAN]

You may have a point, but how can you prove that they are or not valid. Will a research 72 years later disprove one or some of this systems?

[kevin]

I think everyone has been underestimating the amount of ship traffic going on in 1933.

There were no planes (well carrying cargo I mean)! There were a lot of ships out there. Navies out there. And so on.

This isn't the dark ages its 1933.

[Patrick99]

I don't think those tracks are hard to believe at all, whether 1933 or 1886. As someone said, there were a *lot* of ships operating. In 1886, ship traffic wasn't exactly unheard of, either.

These people knew what tropical cyclones are and probably had their own low-tech methods for detecting and tracking them. I think it's naive and dismissive to think that just because they didn't have satellite imagery back then, that they were clueless.

[O Town]

Well said.