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#601 Postby Rainband » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:41 pm

deltadog03 wrote:yes, the NON N movement is a big deal....imho....
It's a wait and see..


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WEST CENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST FLORIDA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAMPA BAY AREA - RUSKIN FL
120 PM EDT THU SEP 8 2005

...OPHELIA: WHERE WILL SHE GO NEXT?...

.SHORT TERM (TONIGHT - SAT)...THE FOCUS FOR MUCH OF THE FORECAST
REMAINS OPHELIA AND HER INFLUENCE ON THE STATE. THERE REMAINS
CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY ON HER EVENTUAL TRACK...IN BOTH THE 3 DAY
AND 7 DAY PERIOD.

AS MENTIONED THIS MORNING...OPHELIA ACTUALLY LOST LATITUDE AND
DRIFTED A LITTLE TO THE WEST IN THE PAST 24 HOURS...CONTRARY TO MOST
OF THE GLOBAL MODELS WHICH BEGAN A SLOW NORTH/NORTHEAST TRACK AT
THIS TIME YESTERDAY. RECENT 4 HOURS OF RADAR DATA INDICATE
CONTINUED STATIONARY MOVEMENT...WHILE ON SATELLITE THE CONVECTION
APPEARS TO BE WRAPPING UP A LITTLE BETTER WHICH COULD BE A SIGN OF
SLOW STRENGTHENING.

THE GLOBAL MODELS` ERROR IS LIKELY A RESULT OF THEIR RELIANCE ON
UPPER LEVEL (ABOVE 500 MB) FORECAST STEERING FLOW RATHER THAN THE
MID AND LOW LEVEL FLOW...WHICH CONTINUES TO "PRESS" OPHELIA IN PLACE
OR A BIT SOUTHWARD. STILL...THE 12Z RUNS (NOGAPS/GFS/CANADIAN)
INSIST ON AN "EXIT..STAGE RIGHT" BEGINNING THIS EVENING. I`M NOT
SURE WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM...AS RAOBS RINGING THE GULF CONTINUE
TO SHOW A NORTHERLY COMPONENT UP TO 500 MB (IN SOME CASES 300 MB)
WITIH LIGHT NORTHWEST FLOW ABOVE. EVEN SITES LIKE ATLANTA AND
BIRMINGHAM ARE A BIT LIGHTER WITH THE FLOW...ALTHOUGH COMPONENT IS
A BIT MORE WESTERLY. WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS THE INFLECTION AXIS
OF THE WNW FLOW (VS. THE NORTH FLOW) EASING VERY SLOWLY SOUTH
ACROSS CENTRAL ALABAMA AND GEORGIA.

THE EVENTUAL LOCATION OF THIS AXIS WILL BE KEY TO THE SHORT...AND
PERHAPS EVENTUAL LONG...TERM TRACKING OF THE STORM. IF THE AXIS
EASES INTO NORTH FLORIDA...OPHELIA SHOULD BEGIN TO JOG TO THE
EAST. ONE THING I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING IT THAT THE STORM WILL
LIFT NORTH/NORTHEAST INTO THE DEEP LAYER NORTHERLY FLOW. IF
ANYTHING...THE INITIAL EASTERLY JOG COULD BE FOLLOWED BY A TURN BACK
TO THE WEST BASED ON EVOLUTION OF ANOTHER STRONG FULL-ATMOSPHERE
HIGH AMPLITUDE RIDGE ACROSS THE EASTERN THIRD OF THE COUNTRY WHICH
WOULD INCREASE NORTHEAST...THEN EAST...STEERING FLOW AS WE HEAD INTO
THE LONG TERM.

OTHERWISE...OPHELIA MAY WELL REMAIN NEARLY STATIONARY FOR ANOTHER 24
HOURS...WHICH WOULD LIKELY ALLOW WHATEVER WESTERLIES THAT WOULD PICK
UP THE CIRCULATION TO BYPASS IT. SHORT-RANGE MODELS (NGM AND NAM) AS
WELL AS THE BETA-ADVECTION MODELS FOCUS MORE ON THE MID LEVEL
CIRCULATION AND TURN THE SYSTEM SLOWLY WESTWARD.

SO...THE ANSWER REMAINS UNCLEAR FOR NOW. ONE THING THAT IS CLEAR
IS THE SHORT TERM SENSIBLE WEATHER...WHICH WILL CONTINUE VIRTUALLY
UNCHANGED. EXPECT CONSIDERABLE CLOUDS BUT RELATIVELY LIGHT
PRECIPITATION AMOUNTS...ALONG WITH OCCASIONAL GUSTY NORTHERLY
BREEZES...IN MOST AREAS THROUGH SATURDAY. WILL CONTINUE
TEMPERATURES NEAR SEASONAL NORMS WITH SLIGHTLY ABOVE NORMAL LOWS AT
NIGHT AS WINDS CONTINUE AROUND THE CIRCULATION. BASED ON
PERSISTENCE AND BLENDING HAVE CUT BACK PRECIPITATION CHANCES
THROUGHOUT.


.LONG TERM (SAT NIGHT - THURS)...CONFIDENCE IN LONG RANGE FORECAST
IS STILL LOW AS MODEL GUIDANCE STILL SPLIT BETWEEN TWO REASONABLE
SOLUTIONS. LATEST HURRICANE GUIDANCE AND TPC FORECAST HAS TS OPHELIA
FAR ENUF AWAY TO PREVENT THE STRONGEST WX FROM AFFECTING US. HOWEVER,
THE NORTH FLOW AROUND THE WEST SIDE OF THE SYSTEM WILL CONTINUE
PULLING IN DRIER AIR OVER THE REGION. ONCE THE SYSTEM GETS FAR ENOUGH
EAST...WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS...HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD IN FROM THE
NORTH AND PROVIDE A NORTHEAST FLOW. THIS FLOW PATTERN IS STILL FAIRLY
DRY FOR OUR SIDE OF THE STATE. ONLY SCENARIO THAT WOULD MAKE US
WETTER WOULD BE TO HAVE OPHELIA STAY STATIONARY THE NEXT COUPLE OF
DAYS AND NOT GET FAR ENOUGH NORTH TO BE PICKED UP BY THE NEXT TROUGH.
IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN...THE NEXT RIDGE MOVING IN MAY ALLOW THE
SYSTEM TO DRIFT BACK WEST. WILL GO WITH THE MORE OPTIMISTIC
FORECAST...BASED ON TPC GUIDANCE...AND LOWER POPS TO 30 PCT EACH DAY
IN THE LONG RANGE.

WITH THE DECREASED RAIN CHANCES...EXPECT TEMPS TO BE AT OR JUST
ABOVE CLIMO EACH DAY.


&&

.MARINE...AGAIN...STATUS QUO WITH MAINTAINANCE OF CAUTION VALUES
(WINDS/SEAS) CENTRAL AND NORTH AND JUST BELOW ACROSS THE SOUTH
LEG. PRECIPITATION SHOULD BE SLIM TO NONE OVER THE AREA THROUGH THE
SHORT TERM. THE LONG TERM (SUNDAY-TUESDAY) HIGHLY DEPENDS ON
OPHELIA`S ULTIMATE TRACK. FOR NOW WILL CONTINUE WITH A GENERAL
NORTH/NORTHWEST FLOW WITH ISOLD/SCATTERED PRECIPITATION.

&&

.FIRE WEATHER...NO CONCERNS.

&&

.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...

TPA 76 89 76 90 / 00 30 00 40
FMY 75 89 75 90 / 00 20 00 30
GIF 75 89 75 90 / 00 30 20 40
SRQ 76 89 76 89 / 00 20 00 30
BKV 74 88 74 90 / 00 20 00 40

&&

.TBW WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
SMALL CRAFT EXERCISE CAUTION FROM ENGLEWOOD TO SUWANNEE RIVER
OUT TO 60 NM INCLUDING TAMPA BAY.

&&

$$

SHORT TERM...BSG
LONG TERM....RJS
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#602 Postby deltadog03 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:41 pm

well, just look at the earlier...im not sure what the coords were suppose to be...but, clearly this has not even drifted north...i think it could have a role in the future...jmo though
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#603 Postby Coredesat » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:42 pm

Central pressure has risen a bit, but I think Ophelia has a pretty good chance of becoming a hurricane by 11 PM.
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#604 Postby deltadog03 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:44 pm

WOW!!!! now THAT was a GREAT disco...thanks for posting that...and yeah it is a watiting game
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#605 Postby JamesFromMaine2 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:45 pm

from what that sounds like it sounds like it will be going out to sea but all the models have it doing a loop so how they can say it will go out to sea I have no clue!
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#606 Postby Rainband » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:46 pm

deltadog03 wrote:WOW!!!! now THAT was a GREAT disco...thanks for posting that...and yeah it is a watiting game
Your welcome :D
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#607 Postby JamesFromMaine2 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:46 pm

Team Ragnarok wrote:Central pressure has risen a bit, but I think Ophelia has a pretty good chance of becoming a hurricane by 11 PM.


From the last Vortex message the pressure is back down to 988
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#608 Postby OuterBanker » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:04 pm

OK, this is it. I, and no one else I know of has time for this.

Ophelia, you really need to make up your mind.

It's time for Dyn-O-Mat to put up or shut up. You have a hurricane that isn't going anywhere, it's just sitting there waiting for you to throw out the welcome Mat (intended pun). You can be a hero and really show the world what you have.

Maybe I'll call Tony Soprano and have her sleep with the fishes.

Anyway, the Gulf, Florida, and the East Coast (especially the Carolinas) want no part of you, GO AWAY.

I don't know about you, but I feel better.

Sometimes just ranting makes you feel better.

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#609 Postby DESTRUCTION5 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:04 pm

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#610 Postby SouthFloridawx » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:07 pm

more models are jumping on Loop de loop fashion.

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#611 Postby SouthFloridawx » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:07 pm

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#612 Postby Rainband » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:08 pm

DESTRUCTION5 wrote:new GFDL says C FL?

http://bricker.met.psu.edu/~arnottj/cgi ... =Animation
thats a big shift to the south.
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#613 Postby cjrciadt » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:10 pm

DESTRUCTION5 wrote:new GFDL says C FL?

http://bricker.met.psu.edu/~arnottj/cgi ... =Animation

My response: :raincloud: I would not be surprised, good thing I got all my supplies today.
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#614 Postby BensonTCwatcher » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:18 pm

OK, with all due respect to the models, watch the GFDL loop and look at the GFS.

They move Nate out pretty fast huh? I don't think that will happen. Nate is moving slower than that that. He will more likely still be there to pump up the ridge to Ophelia's east. That will keep the storm from moving out to sea. I STILL don't buy the loop and the landfall. The storm is not moving and proably won't until the ridge to her west forces her E a bit or NE ( which may be happening) I don't think this will pull a Jeanne since the ridge to the west is forecast pretty well over the eastern US in the coming days.

Of course I'll eat my crow when she loops, but I'm betting agaist it :wink:
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#615 Postby deltadog03 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:38 pm

eye wall looks to have closed....convection increasing
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#616 Postby Rainband » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:40 pm

deltadog03 wrote:eye wall looks to have closed....convection increasing
Interesting water vapor pics
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#617 Postby cjrciadt » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:42 pm

Rainband wrote:
deltadog03 wrote:eye wall looks to have closed....convection increasing
Interesting water vapor pics
she is a growing girl.http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-wv-loop.html
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#618 Postby cinlfla » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:43 pm

eye wall looks to have closed....convection increasing




I just look at the sattelite loop and it does look likes its getting better organized.
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#619 Postby BensonTCwatcher » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:45 pm

Yep, if you look close you can see the eyewall closing off (CDO)

Probably be upgraded at 5? Pressure was dropping too.

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#620 Postby LarryWx » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:55 pm

For the second run in a row, the ECMWF (12Z out) hits extreme NE FL on SUN 9/11.
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