NO Mayor orders forced removal if necessary

[gratefulnole]

I don't know how I feel about those "regular" folks who just want to stay in their homes. I mean, I know I'd leave, but it is their home. <sigh> No easy answer I guess.

There is no working sewage system. Even if you had 6 months supply of food and water where will you be going to the bathroom?

[x-y-no]

I don't know how I feel about those "regular" folks who just want to stay in their homes. I mean, I know I'd leave, but it is their home. <sigh> No easy answer I guess.

There is no working sewage system. Even if you had 6 months supply of food and water where will you be going to the bathroom?

The old traditional answer is use a bucket, then toss the waste out into the street.

[MBismyPlayground]

MF, I don't think martial law has to be instituted to bring about the duties of the military. The President has waived the posse comitatus act and has allowed the army to assist and enforce local and state laws.

Do you have a link to this? I truly haven't seen this if it's true.

I don't think it makes a diff coz General Honoree says that the Active Military will NOT aid in doing this.

I am astounded honestly at how many people assume the US Active Military are trained in search and rescue. I have had 2 husbands(don't ask lol) who were both in the 82nd ABN and neither were trained in this.
They were trained to fight a war. How to jump into a combat zone and secure an airfield.They are capable of rescuing, and searching, but...this is not really part of their training.
Even right now, they are patrolling the streets of NO without ammo....Like that is going to help if the looters begin to shoot.
Actually am watching people I KNOW on CNN....will have to try and get a first person story.

[x-y-no]

I am astounded honestly at how many people assume the US Active Military are trained in search and rescue. I have had 2 husbands(don't ask lol) who were both in the 82nd ABN and neither were trained in this.

Not simultaneously, we hope ...

Even right now, they are patrolling the streets of NO without ammo....Like that is going to help if the looters begin to shoot.

Now if that's true, I really object to that.

[MBismyPlayground]

Let me correct myself before someone else does.
They ARE trained in search and rescue but that is not exactly their main mission. I forgot about when they do the mass casualty thing.

[MBismyPlayground]

I am astounded honestly at how many people assume the US Active Military are trained in search and rescue. I have had 2 husbands(don't ask lol) who were both in the 82nd ABN and neither were trained in this.

Not simultaneously, we hope ...

Even right now, they are patrolling the streets of NO without ammo....Like that is going to help if the looters begin to shoot.

Now if that's true, I really object to that.

Better start objecting then. They have NO ammo only guns to show a presence. This same thing happened during the first gulf war. This is why 82nd ABN was refered to at the time as "SPEED BUMPS".

And no, haha, not simultaneoulsy....

[x-y-no]

Better start objecting then. They have NO ammo only guns to show a presence. This same thing happened during the first gulf war. This is why 82nd ABN was refered to at the time as "SPEED BUMPS".

Will do. This is pure stupidity, IMHO.

[MBismyPlayground]

Better start objecting then. They have NO ammo only guns to show a presence. This same thing happened during the first gulf war. This is why 82nd ABN was refered to at the time as "SPEED BUMPS".

Will do. This is pure stupidity, IMHO.

Typical and required. They are NOT there to enforce the law. Only show a presence and as a show of force. Humanitarian aid.
They cannot enforce the law unless martial law is declared, unless specifically requested by the Gov. and I doubt she will request as then she might lose her "CONTROL". Too bad someone's EGO has to play into this life saving mission.

[mf_dolphin]

MF, I don't think martial law has to be instituted to bring about the duties of the military. The President has waived the posse comitatus act and has allowed the army to assist and enforce local and state laws.

Do you have a link to this? I truly haven't seen this if it's true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9117367/

I am still trying to find when he did it..

I think you need to read that article a little closer.

Traditionally, the National Guard operates in state active duty status when responding to civil emergencies. When operating in that mode the Guard is given a special waiver from the Posse Comitatus Act--which usually prohibits the military from becoming involved in civilian affairs—and therefore has the ability to back up law enforcement agencies to help enforce laws.

The Guard can enforce local and state laws under the Govenor's direction but not Active Duty Military. That requires a Martial Law declaration.

[x-y-no]

Typical and required. They are NOT there to enforce the law. Only show a presence and as a show of force. Humanitarian aid.
They cannot enforce the law unless martial law is declared, unless specifically requested by the Gov. and I doubt she will request as then she might lose her "CONTROL". Too bad someone's EGO has to play into this life saving mission.

Regardless of whethere or not they are there in a law enforcement role, I don't see the sense in not letting them carry ammunition. That was specifically what I was objecting to, and I doubt the governor has any say whatsoever in that decision.

[MBismyPlayground]

Typical and required. They are NOT there to enforce the law. Only show a presence and as a show of force. Humanitarian aid.
They cannot enforce the law unless martial law is declared, unless specifically requested by the Gov. and I doubt she will request as then she might lose her "CONTROL". Too bad someone's EGO has to play into this life saving mission.

Regardless of whethere or not they are there in a law enforcement role, I don't see the sense in not letting them carry ammunition. That was specifically what I was objecting to, and I doubt the governor has any say whatsoever in that decision.

I guess it would prevent someone from complaining/accusing that they are trying to enforce. If in fact they had ammo, but are not there for law enforcement and someone somehow got shot/killed(other than a GI) there would be major outcries from various groups.
I know, sad state of things.......
If only SOMEONE would get knocked off that horse and let someone else take the reins......instead of tying up everyones hands and them complaining.

[artist]

truly - what is wrong with Blanco? she has done everything she can to hinder this thing. my anger is rising everytime I hear her open her mouth!

[gtalum]

I don't think people shoul dbe FORCED to evacuate. Apprise them of the dangers, stop supplying them, and let them fend for themselevs if they want. I happen to know there is a small group in the CBD trying to restore some business. As long as there's no floodwater, I say let them. Someone's got to start to rebuild, and the sooner the better.

[mf_dolphin]

Maybe the CDC should be listened to...

The health hazards from this water make it imperative that remaining residents comply with evacuation orders, said Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"If you haven't left the city yet, you must do so," she said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168644,00.html

[simplykristi]

There's a reason for working sewage systems. Without those, many diseases would be rampant. Those in NO must evacuate because it is UNSAFE there.

Kristi

[Mattie]

Maybe the CDC should be listened to...

The health hazards from this water make it imperative that remaining residents comply with evacuation orders, said Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"If you haven't left the city yet, you must do so," she said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168644,00.html

while on the opposite channel they show bars open, people doing fine and telling the media they were escorted into Walgreens to get supplies.

Too much is contradictory - if they want people out - then give them the final word - let no one else in after they leave the city. (realizing this is unrealistic because there is no way you can monitor the ins and outs everywhere to the city)

[mf_dolphin]

Unfortunately the Louisiana Gov and New Orleans Mayor aren't on the same page. For areas that weren't flooded and where basic services (safe water, sewer, and emergency services) can be restored then I agree. Otherwise they need to get people out and now.

[artist]

according to a lawyer today on a report she has to make certain it would kill them if they remain - not just make them sick - that is according to imminent domain, I believe they said.

[GalvestonDuck]

Didn't that whole imminent domain bit change this past summer?

[streetsoldier]

That's the doctrine of "eminent domain", ladies and gents...and it would only apply herein if "fair compensation" were offered.

As to "mandatory evacuation" as stated by NOLA's Mayor? He DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY, Constitutionally, to give such an order...especially using police and/or troops to enforce it.

Only a state of "martial law", under US military control, could enforce that...and, as we all know, LA's Governor isn't about to relinquish one iota of control over the situation, especially with "her" National Guardsmen.