Here's the story....

[dixiebreeze]

Just scroll down for 94 Invest map, etc.:

http://weather.net-waves.com/tropics.php

[spinfan4eva]

That Tropical cyclone formation warning map is bonkers How can a TC form OVER the Fla Peninsula? Maybe east of Fla but not OVER LOL
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb/danger_atl_15.gif

[TreasureIslandFLGal]

because of the topography of south florida; essentially all swamp, it is possible for this to happen. in fact, just look at how Katrina held her own quite easily as she slowly crossed the state. how often have you seen a storm travelling for 10 hours over land survive and in fact become better developed over land? -that is a good example of what a warm water swamp can maintain.

[Deb321]

because of the topography of south florida; essentially all swamp, it is possible for this to happen. in fact, just look at how Katrina held her own quite easily as she slowly crossed the state. how often have you seen a storm travelling for 10 hours over land survive and in fact become better developed over land? -that is a good example of what a warm water swamp can maintain.

I had a question if someone with more knowledge than myself could answer I would really appreciate it. If say this storm crossed Florida, crossing Lake Okeechobee and I'm sure the waters are pretty warm there, could that not possibly cause the storm to intensify? Seems like I heard someone mention that last season.

[Recurve]

Deb: just an amateur observation, seems at least some development or at least maintenance of cyclones is possible over large warm bodies of water. Lake Okeechobee is certainly big, and warm. Don't know the exact water temperature. There have been several threads about Great Lakes storms and Lake Okeechobee effects. Try the Search function.

The area to the west and north of the lake gets pretty hilly, compared to Miami and Broward and the areas east of the Lake. So there would be some land friction effects and disruption of winds if a storm was going northwest from the lake.

I don't know how much Katrina strengthened or was invigorated by the Everglades; the eye going from the Dage-Broward line to Cape Sable would have been over urban landscape for a good part of the time. One it was passing the Homestead/Redlands it would have been over actual swamp, areas that are covered in water. But it's not deep; I wonder if it can fuel convection as well as the ocean.

Seems like Katrina was on an organization/deepening cycle at landfall in Broward. It wasn't dissipated quickly by the land, but it would have developed more over open water.

[Deb321]

Deb: just an amateur observation, seems at least some development or at least maintenance of cyclones is possible over large warm bodies of water. Lake Okeechobee is certainly big, and warm. Don't know the exact water temperature. There have been several threads about Great Lakes storms and Lake Okeechobee effects. Try the Search function.

The area to the west and north of the lake gets pretty hilly, compared to Miami and Broward and the areas east of the Lake. So there would be some land friction effects and disruption of winds if a storm was going northwest from the lake.

I don't know how much Katrina strengthened or was invigorated by the Everglades; the eye going from the Dage-Broward line to Cape Sable would have been over urban landscape for a good part of the time. One it was passing the Homestead/Redlands it would have been over actual swamp, areas that are covered in water. But it's not deep; I wonder if it can fuel convection as well as the ocean.

Seems like Katrina was on an organization/deepening cycle at landfall in Broward. It wasn't dissipated quickly by the land, but it would have developed more over open water.

thanks for answering that for me!

[sponger]

I doubt that a tropical system can intensify over land but I do agree swamps and large bodies of warm water would reduce degridation of a system.

I Think incidents like Katrina and Andrew, that show improvement over land, is caused by favorable conditions prior to land fall. In other words we are seeing the benefits of prior condions and and not current.

[Patrick99]

Deb: just an amateur observation, seems at least some development or at least maintenance of cyclones is possible over large warm bodies of water. Lake Okeechobee is certainly big, and warm. Don't know the exact water temperature. There have been several threads about Great Lakes storms and Lake Okeechobee effects. Try the Search function.

The area to the west and north of the lake gets pretty hilly, compared to Miami and Broward and the areas east of the Lake. So there would be some land friction effects and disruption of winds if a storm was going northwest from the lake.

I don't know how much Katrina strengthened or was invigorated by the Everglades; the eye going from the Dage-Broward line to Cape Sable would have been over urban landscape for a good part of the time. One it was passing the Homestead/Redlands it would have been over actual swamp, areas that are covered in water. But it's not deep; I wonder if it can fuel convection as well as the ocean.

Seems like Katrina was on an organization/deepening cycle at landfall in Broward. It wasn't dissipated quickly by the land, but it would have developed more over open water.

I think Katrina was bombing out at that time - if she'd had a few more miles of Gulfstream to work with, we'd have had a low-end Cat. 3 on our hands.