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Is the labor day storm the definition of rapid deepening?

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maybe so
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70 years ago today the bomb went off

#1 Postby Jim Cantore » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:36 am

anybody heard of this storm?

Of course you have
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#2 Postby Brent » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:38 am

I would say yes...

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#3 Postby no advance » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:40 am

Baby compared to Katrina.
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#4 Postby LAwxrgal » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:40 am

I was watching a Weather Channel documentary on this storm. This sounds like a stronger version of Charley -- a storm that rapidly intensified before the storm surge and other aspects began to set in. I heard the storm surge was about fifteen feet, but the wind damage devastated the Florida Keys.
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#5 Postby Jim Cantore » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:43 am

1 to 5 in 36 hours

holy Camille :eek:
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#6 Postby Brent » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:45 am

no advance wrote:Baby compared to Katrina.


Maybe in terms of size and death, but it was stronger than Katrina... 892 mb. :eek:
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#7 Postby LAwxrgal » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:55 am

Brent wrote:
no advance wrote:Baby compared to Katrina.


Maybe in terms of size and death, but it was stronger than Katrina... 892 mb. :eek:


If I'm not mistaken that was measured by a private citizen's home thermometer. Whatever weather instruments they had back then failed. It's quite possible the pressure was lower than that.
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#8 Postby Ola » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:03 am

LAwxrgal wrote:
Brent wrote:
no advance wrote:Baby compared to Katrina.


Maybe in terms of size and death, but it was stronger than Katrina... 892 mb. :eek:


If I'm not mistaken that was measured by a private citizen's home thermometer. Whatever weather instruments they had back then failed. It's quite possible the pressure was lower than that.


Or higher.
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#9 Postby Jim Cantore » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:04 am

lower higher doesnt matter it was strong enough to send a train airborne

thats one powerful storm no matter what the pressure was
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#10 Postby WeatherEmperor » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:09 am

Hurricane Floyd wrote:lower higher doesnt matter it was strong enough to send a train airborne

thats one powerful storm no matter what the pressure was


agreed.

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#11 Postby Jim Cantore » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:14 am

The storm was a mini Andrew (you'll almost never hear that)

tight but extremely powerful windfield

the core of the storm was like the apcolypse
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#12 Postby clfenwi » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:26 am

Ola wrote:
LAwxrgal wrote:
Brent wrote:
no advance wrote:Baby compared to Katrina.


Maybe in terms of size and death, but it was stronger than Katrina... 892 mb. :eek:


If I'm not mistaken that was measured by a private citizen's home thermometer. Whatever weather instruments they had back then failed. It's quite possible the pressure was lower than that.


Or higher.


For those interested, here are the barometer readings along the keys: http://www.keyshistory.org/35-hurr-war-dept.html

The pertinent section for the lowest recorded pressure:

Low barometer reading at Craig, Milepost 451, the storm center as it passed over the keys, September 2, 1935, 8:20 to 9:25 p.m., 26.40 inches: Observers, Capt. Ivar Olsen, R. W. Craig and R. C. Jackson. This barometer was located by employees of this office and Capt. Olsen, the owner, agreed to turn it over to us for calibration. It was turned over to the Miami Weather Bureau for test readings. The Miami Weather Bureau corrected the reading to 26.38 inches, then sent it to the Weather Bureau at Washington, for further test. The Weather Bureau at Washington found the corrected reading to be 26.35 inches. As these men were exposed and in the open, no recording were made of readings, but the low point reached by the barometer pointer was marked on the barometer case.
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#13 Postby HurricaneBill » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:31 pm

I've heard two stories on how the 892 mb reading was recorded.

1. A weather observer climbed up a tree to get away from the surge and he happened to have a barometer with him and observed the pressure.

2. A crew took refuge on a boat that was in a harbor and observed the pressure using the barometer in the boat. The needle kept dipping lower than the lowest point marked on the barometer, so one of the men kept marking the lowest point the needle went.

I don't know if either of these are true.
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#14 Postby M_0331 » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:54 pm

I thought many more were killed with the train full of CCC Workers that
was blown over. Many MIA's or washed out to sea. My Granddaddy used to say
that many bodies washed onshore from FL to N.C.

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#15 Postby abajan » Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:53 pm

Hurricane Floyd wrote:lower higher doesnt matter it was strong enough to send a train airborne

thats one powerful storm no matter what the pressure was

Of course, we must also consider the possibility that the train may have been loaded with helium. :lol:
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#16 Postby Jim Cantore » Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:52 pm

abajan wrote:
Hurricane Floyd wrote:lower higher doesnt matter it was strong enough to send a train airborne

thats one powerful storm no matter what the pressure was

Of course, we must also consider the possibility that the train may have been loaded with helium. :lol:


I highly doubt that 8-)
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#17 Postby WeatherEmperor » Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:52 pm

lucky that none of us here were alive when that monster made landfall.

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#18 Postby Jim Cantore » Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:38 pm

Although a survior of that storm could shine some light on this
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#19 Postby HurricaneBill » Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:53 pm

Ernest Hemingway was among some of the first people to arrive in the Keys after the hurricane. He was so shocked by the death and destruction, he swore he would never write about it. And he never did.
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#20 Postby Scorpion » Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:17 pm

What kind of poll is this of course its rapid deepening. Thats actually an understatement. TD to Cat 5 in 36 hours or something.
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