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#21 Postby CronkPSU » Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:54 pm

EverythingIsEverything wrote:I know, I know..and i keep replaying in my mind a father and son being interviewed, i dont know what news channel i was watching at the time, but the reporter was asking their reasoning for staying, and the father said well we have moved 3 miles back from the shoreline, so we will be okay. and the reporter gave an analysis like the tsunami that happen to illustrate water being pushed on shore and how far it might go in, and the son was like well that is totally different, the water won't flood that far back with a hurricane. they where so certain that they where safe, and i can only think of them at this time, i think they where in grand isle


wow, that quote ran through my head all day, the ignorance of the tsunami/storm surge quote
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#22 Postby TSmith274 » Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:55 pm

Please pray for us. I've been watching the rescue footage, and I'm in tears. Also, pray for those in lower Plaquemines parish. I lost my camp, which is nothing, but everyone lost their homes. A total loss of lower Plaquemines tonight. Just pray for us, please.
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#23 Postby Mello1 » Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:55 pm

Broken gas and power lines under water that are still live makes the rescue very dangerous by boat right now. This is very bad folks. Very sad. Reporters on CNN sounding very grim right now.
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#24 Postby NFLnut » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:17 pm

She painted a VERY bleak image of people tonight crying for help and the rescuers are unable to reach them. The water appears to still be rising. She mentioned also hearing dogs and cats crying and that they saw dogs, still alive, wrapped in live downed electrical wires being electrocuted. 'Just breaks my heart!!

Although we went through our experiences here in central Florida last year, and I had two inches of water in my kitchen for 4 days after Charley, I and my wife and our pets were still alive afterwards. I just wish there was something I could do!
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#25 Postby Recurve » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:18 pm

I can add a few bits from hearing the report.
They were in the area of the Ninth ward, might have been off I-10 near one of the East NO exits, the I-10 ramps were being used as boat launches. The water was up to the eaves of houses. Some people had broken through to the roofs, others didn't have a way out yet. They need boats with lights, and the animal control workers (probably nutria patrol or fish and wildlife) were starting to respond and their boats are equipped for search.

At least they didn't see house failures, but there are obviously people to be rescued in East NOLA. I'm concerned just as much about the lower parishes too.
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#26 Postby simplykristi » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:20 pm

The human toll will be great but the animal toll will be just as great.

Kristi.. owned by a cat and dog
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#27 Postby lurkerinthemidst » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:45 pm

I was complaining because we don't have cable or satellite right now and that I was " missing the coverage" except from what I could get on here. Now I am kind of glad I am not seeing it all. How truly sad. This is so heart wrenching. I WISH people would listen and evacuate. I wish there were a provision for people who don't have the money to evacuate. There needs to be some kind of monetary assistance to evacuate in the line of danger
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Re: ARGH

#28 Postby themusk » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:28 am

Dr. Jonah Rainwater wrote:WHY DIDN'T PEOPLE EVACUATE!!??!!?!?!?!!?!?!??!?!!!


That's the $64,000 question a lot of hazards researchers spend a lot of time asking, in order to figure out how to get more people to respond appropriately to warnings.

A 64 word, or therabouts, summary of why is that while most people respond more or less appropriately to a warning, a substantial number of persons, confronted with a threat, in a sense freeze. Rather than respond appropriately, they cling fervently and inappropriately to their routines. It amounts to a kind of magical thinking, that if only they act as if everything is ordinary, things will remain as they are. It can't be said that they're not trying to survive - they're just trying to survive via what amounts to a psychotic response. Elderly persons are especially prone to this response, but it does affect younger persons as well.

There's a variant on this (a variant at least in my opinion; other folks may feel its a separate phenomenon) where persons follow their hazard response plans with irrational rigidity -- say, insisting upon evacuating along a washed-out route and driving straight into the water, because that's the route that had been decided upon prior to the road becoming washed out, or following a fire evacuation route straight into the smoke and flames. Some non-evacuees may have been following preexisting hurricane plans, made for Cat. 1 or 2 storms, to the letter.

Okay, it's probably more than 64 words :wink:

Another major reason for staying, even when resources exist to evacuate or at least go to a refuge of last resort, has historically been that issue of pets. This obstacle to evacuation is slowly but surely being removed. Current FEMA policy strongly encourages planning for animals, and more and more pet and pet-friendly shelters are becoming available.

Another reason for not responding appropriately to warnings has been that it's human nature to try to first confirm that a hazard exists before taking action. When you think about it, it's a sensible response -- if we ran out of our homes every time we heard an announcement that "the sky is falling", we'd be a lot poorer, and a lot of burglars with megaphones would be a lot richer. Unfortunately, if "confirmation" means "wait until it is too late to respond", people die. So the challenge, then, is twofold: to produce credible warnings which contain enough information to satisfy that natural urge to confirm that the warning is real, and to educate the public about hazards in general, because research shows that the more information people have about a hazard, the more likely they are to react promptly and appropriately.

Of course, there is good ol' idiocy, especially common among young men with too much beer and too much testosterone, who think it would be really cool if they prove their manhood by facing down the storm. In emergency rooms they call this "young man's immortality syndrome", and it kills quite a few of them, usually with the assistance of automobiles. Again, idiocy, although most common among young men, is not exclusive to certain ages and genders. You can find the occasional middle aged woman with too much beer, too much machisma, and too little sense, too.

I am all for driving the lesson home to individual survivors that their actions were foolish, endangered both themselves and others, and should not ever be repeated. But at the same time it's important to remember that in the vast majority of cases these people were trying to survive, and acted in a manner which seemed to them at the time to be the best way to survive. They wanted the same thing that the rest of us want. One of the challenges of hazards research is to try to figure out how to effectively educate and warn people so that as few people as possible freeze, or wait till its too late, or otherwise respond in ways that put themselves in danger.
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#29 Postby Josephine96 » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:03 am

There are at least 50 dead in Mississippi as well.. This is completely horrific.. I can't understand why people didn't evac. Maybe they should have read the warning from NWS when they thought it'd make landfall at 175..
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#30 Postby johngaltfla » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:15 am

It's not just New Orleans. There is a very chilling problem as of last night when I went to bed. No one has heard anything from Bay St. Louis or Waveland, MS. Not one communication. No hams. No LEO's. Nothing.

I pray everyone there evacuated but the Governor, Haley Barbour, is very concerned.

I'm afraid that everyone here who has feared the "big one" is as justified as ever to have had that fear.

All we can do now is pray. Because I fear thet Mother Nature has more in store for us before this season ends. Hopefully, after this mega disaster, everyone will evacuate when told to do so now.
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#31 Postby JamesFromMaine2 » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:23 am

things are getting worse in N.O. as well! There are 2 Confirmed Levee breaches and a unconfirmed 3rd breach! The city continues to flood! The Flooding and the results of "the big one" didn't happen right away like alot of us thought it would but it is now going on!
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#32 Postby oneness » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:30 am

If all the HAMs from those areas have gone off the air then that is a very bad sign as those guys often keep many spare antennas, several radios, lots of batteries and generator, plus run organised civil emergency-backup radio-comms networks for just such occasions as this one. :eek:
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#33 Postby Roxy » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:26 am

EverythingIsEverything wrote:I know, I know..and i keep replaying in my mind a father and son being interviewed, i dont know what news channel i was watching at the time, but the reporter was asking their reasoning for staying, and the father said well we have moved 3 miles back from the shoreline, so we will be okay. and the reporter gave an analysis like the tsunami that happen to illustrate water being pushed on shore and how far it might go in, and the son was like well that is totally different, the water won't flood that far back with a hurricane. they where so certain that they where safe, and i can only think of them at this time, i think they where in grand isle


I remember that interview. I wonder how they are doing now.

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#34 Postby Brent » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:34 am

johngaltfla wrote:It's not just New Orleans. There is a very chilling problem as of last night when I went to bed. No one has heard anything from Bay St. Louis or Waveland, MS. Not one communication. No hams. No LEO's. Nothing.


Something just hit me... where are the city officials for those cities?
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#35 Postby RU4REAL » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:43 am

just read/saw a clip from fox news, family in attict, house split down the middle, husband was holding wifes hand, she told him to let go, he could not hold her and to take care of the children, he has not seen her since. :cry:
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#36 Postby GalvestonDuck » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:45 am

RU4REAL wrote:just read/saw a clip from fox news, family in attict, house split down the middle, husband was holding wifes hand, she told him to let go, he could not hold her and to take care of the children, he has not seen her since. :cry:


Saw that on CNN and then again on GMA -- the reporter was crying also. And it was hard watching ABC GMA host Robin Roberts talk from Gulfport about finally getting in touch with her family.
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#37 Postby Mattie » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:52 am

Additionally, cell phones are down - police radios are down and they basically are operating on word of mouth when they pass another police officer. A fire that started in a house is blazing out of control as the National Guard stands by to watch. There is nothing they can do but let it burn out. The city is unreachable by car/emergency vehicles, etc. until the flood waters recede.

There is fuel skimming the top of the water so it makes it very hazardous. This is due to the many submerged gas tanks in cars, etc. - fuel floats to the top and if someone were to drop a match and it just happened to ignite . . .
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#38 Postby canegrl04 » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:00 am

I heard the story of a grand mother who rode out katrina with her grand kids.She said she would never do that again.The kids and family stayed because SHE refused to go. :(
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#39 Postby RU4REAL » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:04 am

don't know if this will help anyone or not, but when we were flooded we had a problem with fire ant bits, the ants float on top of the water, try to stay out of the water and get a tetunus shot asap.
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#40 Postby Stephanie » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:28 am

Dr. Jonah Rainwater wrote:Ugh. Sorry. I can't believe the magnitude of this disaster. I'm pretty emotional right now.


Understood. It's just that alot of people didn't have the means or $$$ to move further inland and stay in a hotel. For many, I'm sure that their family is all in the NO area.
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