Pressure Up!

[rockyman]

I'm all for opinions as I've had MANY debates on this board about that. BUT, what leads you to that opinion? You'll do yourself some good to post at least some form of reasoning for that opinion.

Pressure is way up, the redbands are nearly gone on satalite, flight winds are way down, and she is near cooler water. She is dying, she still will be a major storm when she hits IMO, but not cat 5 or 4.

Wow...you've made a whopping total of 7 posts altogether...and you feel that you're qualified to make any kind of "opinion" whatsoever on possibly the greatest natural disaster our country has ever faced? I'd recommend finding yourself a nice rock to get under (that way you won't get blown away by the "decaying" hurricane)

[wayoutfront]

what are you doing? baiting ?

way up???? all the way to 906/908?

[ConvergenceZone]

I'm all for opinions as I've had MANY debates on this board about that. BUT, what leads you to that opinion? You'll do yourself some good to post at least some form of reasoning for that opinion.

Pressure is way up, the redbands are nearly gone on satalite, flight winds are way down, and she is near cooler water. She is dying, she still will be a major storm when she hits IMO, but not cat 5 or 4.

huh???? Pressure is WAY up? It's only been down to 902 and it's at 908 now. How is that WAY up? Also, plenty of red rainbands still, and where's the indication she's near cooler water??

[djtil]

while i wouldnt say dying much of what he is saying is factual.......from the last few recons she may be nearing the 130mph threshold....will have to wait and really see when the pressure stops rising to know for sure....but there are some signs out there for hope.

[wlfpack81]

This is only an opinion, so take it as you will. I am seeing some rapid decay in this storm. Others might not see this, but to me it is clear at night and day.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. But looking at the latest IR / WV images I'm not seeing "rapid decaying" as you mentioned. Yes it appears the w-ern side is becoming impacted by the NW flow w/the trough but the eye is still very large and symmetrical. CDO still looks impresssive based on IR w/MB curve (from weather.cod.edu) sat image.

Pressures may have gone up slightly but 908mb is still deadly strong and on the Dvorak scale this would normally still support about 155kts (178mph winds). So while the winds may still decrease a bit more I still think we're looking at a 145mph monster Cat 4 at worst coming into SE LA. And when your at the high end of the scale like this difference between Cat 4 or 5 really isn't much, especially if your talking about both scenarios possibly flooding the heck out of NO. And per the 11pm EDT NHC discussion if Katrina is going through an ERC then we best hope it doesn't complete it before it hits land otherwise what happened earlier this morning may happen again. Katrina's winds may catch or nearly catch the pressure before heading inland.

[rockyman]

while i wouldnt say dying much of what he is saying is factual.......from the last few recons she may be nearing the 130mph threshold....will have to wait and really see when the pressure stops rising to know for sure....but there are some signs out there for hope.

What? The pressure is 908 and you're saying that it's approaching the threshold of a Cat 3? I'd like you to show me any hurricane, typhoon, or cyclone with this pressure with winds of only 130mph.

[krysof]

it's about to make landfall now 90 miles from landfall, I really don't know how it is good.

[vbhoutex]

I think I have read where the levee system can handle up through Cat 3.
If the storm is losing some intensity and will go over land before NO (be it a swamp, I know); what are the chances that winds will not go above Cat 3 and the levees will hold?

Or am I mistaken (I have read and heard a lot today and may be wrong here).

If so, I apologize.

The winds in NO, depending on the track, could easily reach CAT 3 or CAT 4 intensity and that will be at the surface. Winds higher up will be CAT 5+ for lack of better wording or exact figures. The only way this will not happen is if Katrina makes a much sharper move to the right and is at least 50 miles East of NO at the time it passes NO. Unfortunately this is not likely. The winds are not the problem with the levee system, per se. The problem there is the storm surge which is expected to be in the 20 foot range. This will overtop most of the levees around NO even if it isn't wind driven. This along with the expected 10"-12" of rain will probably cause massive flooding in NO proper. I hope and pray all of the modeled projections of what will happen in this type of storm situation are incorrect, but they were done by experts and those who know what they are doing when modeling these situations so we have no real reason to doubt them.

[djtil]

im not trying to explain why the winds arent correlating with 908mb just saying that they are not....per recon...and not just this mission...the last several.

i leave it for someones thesis to explain why this storm has never really had typical wind/pressure correlation..except for a few hours this morning.

[fci]

I think I have read where the levee system can handle up through Cat 3.
If the storm is losing some intensity and will go over land before NO (be it a swamp, I know); what are the chances that winds will not go above Cat 3 and the levees will hold?

Or am I mistaken (I have read and heard a lot today and may be wrong here).

If so, I apologize.

The winds in NO, depending on the track, could easily reach CAT 3 or CAT 4 intensity and that will be at the surface. Winds higher up will be CAT 5+ for lack of better wording or exact figures. The only way this will not happen is if Katrina makes a much sharper move to the right and is at least 50 miles East of NO at the time it passes NO. Unfortunately this is not likely. The winds are not the problem with the levee system, per se. The problem there is the storm surge which is expected to be in the 20 foot range. This will overtop most of the levees around NO even if it isn't wind driven. This along with the expected 10"-12" of rain will probably cause massive flooding in NO proper. I hope and pray all of the modeled projections of what will happen in this type of storm situation are incorrect, but they were done by experts and those who know what they are doing when modeling these situations so we have no real reason to doubt them.

Thanks.
All we can do now is hope and pray..

[wolfmmiii]

I'm all for opinions as I've had MANY debates on this board about that. BUT, what leads you to that opinion? You'll do yourself some good to post at least some form of reasoning for that opinion.

Pressure is way up, the redbands are nearly gone on satalite, flight winds are way down, and she is near cooler water. She is dying, she still will be a major storm when she hits IMO, but not cat 5 or 4.

Wow...you've made a whopping total of 7 posts altogether...and you feel that you're qualified to make any kind of "opinion" whatsoever on possibly the greatest natural disaster our country has ever faced? I'd recommend finding yourself a nice rock to get under (that way you won't get blown away by the "decaying" hurricane)

While this person may be wrong (or right), I don't think the number of posts made should have anything to do with it. Just because the person is new to the board doesn't mean he/she is new to meteorology.

[rockyman]

I'm all for opinions as I've had MANY debates on this board about that. BUT, what leads you to that opinion? You'll do yourself some good to post at least some form of reasoning for that opinion.

Pressure is way up, the redbands are nearly gone on satalite, flight winds are way down, and she is near cooler water. She is dying, she still will be a major storm when she hits IMO, but not cat 5 or 4.

Wow...you've made a whopping total of 7 posts altogether...and you feel that you're qualified to make any kind of "opinion" whatsoever on possibly the greatest natural disaster our country has ever faced? I'd recommend finding yourself a nice rock to get under (that way you won't get blown away by the "decaying" hurricane)

While this person may be wrong (or right), I don't think the number of posts made should have anything to do with it. Just because the person is new to the board doesn't mean he/she is new to meteorology.

Trust me, this person joined the board 2 days ago and is making ridiculous statements over and over and over...he (I'll guarantee this is not a "she") is not a veteran of many hurricanes with years of experience.

[wolfmmiii]

You could be right but you don't know that.

[storm4u]

or they are just wishing it will be below a cat 4!

[vbhoutex]

STOP IT WITH THE "OPINIONS" ABOUT ANYONE AND THEIR POSTING. Be assured we are watching the board closely!!! If you have a problem with someone keep it private by pm with them or bring it to a staff members attention.
Whether they are right or wrong they are due their opinon. I am in complete disagreement with this person, but I do not need to attack him to point it out. If the personal attacks continue suspensions will be handed out. Suspensions will not be based on whether the person being attacked is right or wrong in their opinion. It is quite easy to disagree with someone without attacking them.

[Tri-State_1925]

Looks like we have the first "storm hater" of the early morning hours...

[oneness]

Anyone who asserts a pressure of 908 millibars is "way up" has not got a clue about that of which they speak. 908 is a pressure so low that it's historic and a very a-typically low pressure, and corresponds to a medium strength category 5 cyclone.

If a person claims otherwise they are talking absolute rubbish.

[THead]

Anyone who asserts a pressure of 908 millibars is "way up" has not got a clue about that of which they speak. 908 is a pressure so low that it's historic and a very a-typically low pressure, and corresponds to a medium strength category 5 cyclone.

If a person claims otherwise they are talking absolute rubbish.

Exactly. With Andrew at 922...nuff said, the guy is just baiting people.

[vbhoutex]

Which part of my post did you not understand? I am dead serious about suspensions. Save your personal comments for your selves. Do not bring them to this board!!!
I think it has been made clear that no one agrees with him and that he is more than likely incorrect in his assessment. Leave it at that! If you want to post what you think the pressure correlates to, that is fine. You can even post why his is wrong, which some have done. STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS! LAST WARNING!!

[oneness]

My humble appologies, did not see your message before posting- sorry.