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#1 Postby wxmann_91 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:30 pm

First of all, my thoughts to all who live in S. FL and the families who are impacted.

Second of all, I've heard reports from members in the Ft. Lauderdale, Boca Raton, and the Miami Beach areas. Thanks for keeping us updated! :D

On the other hand, from the Homestead to the Miami area, I haven't heard any reports, whether from news or this site. I'm getting concerned. A HUGE flareup of reds and oranges has occurred to the south of Miami, undoubtedly causing heavy rainfall rates, and in fact doppler radar has already estimated 10" of rain near Key Biscayne.

And, in fact, in the midst of all this I've a question. The northern eyewall is being squashed by dry air entrainment, and Katrina is moving slowly at best. With the convection in the southern eyewall, could, in fact, the winds in the southern eyewall be stronger than winds in the northern eyewall? This has occurred in previous hurricanes like Celia in 1970.

Does anybody have any comments???
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#2 Postby wxmann_91 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:54 pm

anybody?????
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#3 Postby JtSmarts » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:57 pm

Norcross discussed this, and constantly referred to the southern eyewall as containing the strongest cells in the hurricane.
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#4 Postby jeff » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:58 pm

It is likely the winds are stronger in the southern eyewall based on the intense convective developments which helps to bring some of the stronger winds above the surface to the surface
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#5 Postby THead » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:08 pm

city council-man on the phone from key biscayne with norcross, describing a pretty bad scene. Lots of flooding, no power. Also had another anchor call in from the so. eyewall, she said it was really bad, no power since 5:30, and it had been steady, non-stop howling wind and rain since then.
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#6 Postby jkt21787 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:11 pm

Coverage on CBS4 is getting very intense. Lots of things happening in their studio. Mayfield and NHC power was lost, signal gone. 74 mph gust at their station. Pressure is 984 at NHC according to Mayfield
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#7 Postby Ixolib » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:12 pm

Certainly, some of those neighborhoods south and SW of Miami are not the most affluent. Unfortunately, it's those folks who always end up suffering the most...
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#8 Postby Ziplock » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:38 pm

Well, I am well south of Miami near SW 184th Street and SW 87th Avenue, and we are right in the middle of that southern convective band. It has not let up since 6:30pm or so...40-50mph with higher gusts.

Quite the surprise...I really thought we'd get a few squalls...but this has been blowing with authority for hours now.

And this from the "weak side" of a cat 1.

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#9 Postby TS Zack » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:40 pm

This storm is stronger than 80mph!!!!!

It is alot stronger than 80mph!
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#10 Postby mtm4319 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:42 pm

Ziplock wrote:Well, I am well south of Miami near SW 184th Street and SW 87th Avenue, and we are right in the middle of that southern convective band. It has not let up since 6:30pm or so...40-50mph with higher gusts.

Quite the surprise...I really thought we'd get a few squalls...but this has been blowing with authority for hours now.

And this from the "weak side" of a cat 1.

Zip


This time it's the strong side.
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#11 Postby THead » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:43 pm

Think this is the big difference I was posting about between an intensifying landfalling storm and a weakening storm. Meaning that a 80 mph storm that is in a weakening state at landfall, that was a cat 3 or more, doesn't seem as intense as a strong trop storm, that is strengthening at landfall.

Norcross just reported the 'eye' is now over the everglades completely....
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#12 Postby Brent » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:43 pm

This reminds me of Claudette... it's western eyewall had the most intense winds... and it was strengthening until it got completely inland.
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#13 Postby Ixolib » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:43 pm

mtm4319 wrote:This time it's the strong side.

...interestingly enough.
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#14 Postby baygirl_1 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:43 pm

I've been watching CBS 4 online, as I'm sure many others are. It's just amazing! My thoughts and prayers are with all you Miami-Dade and Broward folks. I well remember Georges and Danny with all their rain and persistence. I hope it does get better for y'all in a few hours, as Brian Norcross is telling folks.

EDIT: They're mentioning wind-driven rain coming under doors and windows. Here's a helpful tip, perhaps: we used baby diapers to soak up the rain. You can duct tape them around the edges of windows and doors and it works pretty well.
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#15 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:44 pm

this was not any stronger than 70KT

This is what real 70KT winds can do
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#16 Postby Brent » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:44 pm

Ziplock wrote:Well, I am well south of Miami near SW 184th Street and SW 87th Avenue, and we are right in the middle of that southern convective band. It has not let up since 6:30pm or so...40-50mph with higher gusts.

Quite the surprise...I really thought we'd get a few squalls...but this has been blowing with authority for hours now.

And this from the "weak side" of a cat 1.

Zip


That reminds me...

Where is the Patrick guy in Miami who wasn't expecting much???
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#17 Postby Ivanhater » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:45 pm

Brent wrote:
Ziplock wrote:Well, I am well south of Miami near SW 184th Street and SW 87th Avenue, and we are right in the middle of that southern convective band. It has not let up since 6:30pm or so...40-50mph with higher gusts.

Quite the surprise...I really thought we'd get a few squalls...but this has been blowing with authority for hours now.

And this from the "weak side" of a cat 1.

Zip


That reminds me...

Where is the Patrick guy in Miami who wasn't expecting much???



probably at home without power....hope hes alright
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#18 Postby jasons2k » Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:28 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:this was not any stronger than 70KT

This is what real 70KT winds can do


Bingo Derek! I think people easily forget that b/c the eyewall rarely hits an urban area.
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#19 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:57 pm

Because it hit a major city. I expect the price tag to top Dennis.
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