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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion

#141 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:45 am

Forecast to be a major cane at landfall


Hurricane Erick Discussion Number 8
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP052025
900 AM CST Wed Jun 18 2025

Erick has become significantly better organized with an increasingly
symmetric and large central convective area with very cold cloud
tops. GOES satellite imagery also shows impressive banding
structures both to the north and south of the central convective
area. The latest subjective Dvorak numbers from TAFB and SAB range
from 65-77 kt, while the recent ADT estimate is in the 65-70 kt
range. Since the time of the subjective estimates at 12Z, GOES
images suggest that the inner-core stucture has improved
significantly and an eye may be forming. The intensity is
therefore increased to 75 kt for this advisory, and Erik has begun
its anticipated period of rapid intensification. An Air Force
Reserve Hurricane Hunter aircraft is currently enroute to Erick,
which should provide a better estimate of the intensity.

Erick continues moving to the northwest, or 310/7 kt. This general
motion, along with perhaps a slight acceleration, is expected
through landfall, which is forecast to occur early Thursday along
the southern coast of Mexico. The track guidance remains in good
agreement, and confidence in the overall track is high. Users should
keep in mind that small track deviations could still lead to
significant changes in where the strongest winds and coastal impacts
occur due to the oblique angle of approach. The official forecast
track is unchanged from the previous advisory and lies very close to
the HCCA aid.

Very favorable atmospheric and oceanic conditions surround Erick,
with warm ocean waters, low vertical wind shear and a moist
mid-level troposphere, and these conditions are expected to persist
through landfall. The 06Z HAFS models are forecasting Erick to
become a major hurricane. The various SHIPS rapid intensification
indices indicate a high likelihood of continued rapid strengthening
over the next 24 h, which would result in Erick becoming a major
hurricane. The new NHC forecast explicitly shows Erick becoming a
major hurricane, but it's possible this forecast could be
conservative, especially if the current trend of improved structure
continues today.


KEY MESSAGES:

1. Erick is rapidly intensifying and is expected to be a major
hurricane when it reaches the coast of western Oaxaca or eastern
Guerrero within the hurricane warning area on Thursday. Devastating
wind damage is possible where the core of the storm moves onshore.
Preparations to protect life and property should be rushed to
completion.

2. Erick will produce heavy rainfall across portions of Central
America and Southwest Mexico through this week. Life-threatening
flooding and mudslides are likely, especially in areas of steep
terrain.

3. A dangerous storm surge is expected to produce coastal flooding
near and to the east of where the center crosses the coast, in
areas of onshore winds.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 18/1500Z 13.9N 96.0W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 19/0000Z 14.5N 96.8W 90 KT 105 MPH
24H 19/1200Z 15.9N 98.1W 100 KT 115 MPH
36H 20/0000Z 17.4N 99.8W 45 KT 50 MPH...INLAND
48H 20/1200Z...DISSIPATED

$$
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion Update= Forecast to be major hurricane

#142 Postby WaveBreaking » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:51 am

Eye is starting to show up on visible

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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion

#143 Postby WeatherBoy2000 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:08 am

cycloneye wrote:
Forecast to be a major cane at landfall


Hurricane Erick Discussion Number 8
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP052025
900 AM CST Wed Jun 18 2025

Erick has become significantly better organized with an increasingly
symmetric and large central convective area with very cold cloud
tops. GOES satellite imagery also shows impressive banding
structures both to the north and south of the central convective
area. The latest subjective Dvorak numbers from TAFB and SAB range
from 65-77 kt, while the recent ADT estimate is in the 65-70 kt
range. Since the time of the subjective estimates at 12Z, GOES
images suggest that the inner-core stucture has improved
significantly and an eye may be forming. The intensity is
therefore increased to 75 kt for this advisory, and Erik has begun
its anticipated period of rapid intensification. An Air Force
Reserve Hurricane Hunter aircraft is currently enroute to Erick,
which should provide a better estimate of the intensity.

Erick continues moving to the northwest, or 310/7 kt. This general
motion, along with perhaps a slight acceleration, is expected
through landfall, which is forecast to occur early Thursday along
the southern coast of Mexico. The track guidance remains in good
agreement, and confidence in the overall track is high. Users should
keep in mind that small track deviations could still lead to
significant changes in where the strongest winds and coastal impacts
occur due to the oblique angle of approach. The official forecast
track is unchanged from the previous advisory and lies very close to
the HCCA aid.

Very favorable atmospheric and oceanic conditions surround Erick,
with warm ocean waters, low vertical wind shear and a moist
mid-level troposphere, and these conditions are expected to persist
through landfall. The 06Z HAFS models are forecasting Erick to
become a major hurricane. The various SHIPS rapid intensification
indices indicate a high likelihood of continued rapid strengthening
over the next 24 h, which would result in Erick becoming a major
hurricane. The new NHC forecast explicitly shows Erick becoming a
major hurricane, but it's possible this forecast could be
conservative, especially if the current trend of improved structure
continues today.


KEY MESSAGES:

1. Erick is rapidly intensifying and is expected to be a major
hurricane when it reaches the coast of western Oaxaca or eastern
Guerrero within the hurricane warning area on Thursday. Devastating
wind damage is possible where the core of the storm moves onshore.
Preparations to protect life and property should be rushed to
completion.

2. Erick will produce heavy rainfall across portions of Central
America and Southwest Mexico through this week. Life-threatening
flooding and mudslides are likely, especially in areas of steep
terrain.

3. A dangerous storm surge is expected to produce coastal flooding
near and to the east of where the center crosses the coast, in
areas of onshore winds.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 18/1500Z 13.9N 96.0W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 19/0000Z 14.5N 96.8W 90 KT 105 MPH
24H 19/1200Z 15.9N 98.1W 100 KT 115 MPH
36H 20/0000Z 17.4N 99.8W 45 KT 50 MPH...INLAND
48H 20/1200Z...DISSIPATED

$$
Forecaster Hagen


This would be a first for the month of June:

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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion Update= Forecast to be major hurricane

#144 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:11 am

The real question is if we’re getting a crazy drop in pressure and the winds go up bigly between the 2 passes. First pass from SE to NW.
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion Update= Forecast to be major hurricane

#145 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:19 am

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Eye warmed up to DG already.
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion Update= Forecast to be major hurricane

#146 Postby USTropics » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:33 am

Erick looks extremely impressive on IR compared to last night, can track temps on Alex's products as well:
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If the SW quad eyewall gets established, I see nothing keeping this from RI all the way up to landfall.
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion Update= Forecast to be major hurricane

#147 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:35 am


Peak Flight-Level Winds: 74kt at 15:26z
Peak SFMR: 66kt at 15:26z
Minimum Extrap. Pressure: 978.4mb at 15:24z
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion Update= Forecast to be major hurricane

#148 Postby aspen » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:36 am

978.4MB extrap, peak winds of 75kt FL/70kt SFMR in the NW quadrant. Actual intensity is running a little behind satellite presentation for now.
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion Update= Forecast to be major hurricane

#149 Postby KirbyDude25 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:42 am

aspen wrote:978.4MB extrap, peak winds of 75kt FL/70kt SFMR in the NW quadrant. Actual intensity is running a little behind satellite presentation for now.

I think the strongest winds would be found in the NE quadrant in this situation, but given how good its satellite presentation is, I still agree with your assessment
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion Update= Forecast to be major hurricane

#150 Postby USTropics » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:46 am

aspen wrote:978.4MB extrap, peak winds of 75kt FL/70kt SFMR in the NW quadrant. Actual intensity is running a little behind satellite presentation for now.


There is definitely still some internal configuration going on. In particular, I do believe when the CDO expanded this morning we had a bit of dry slot develop earlier. You can see in real-time though, that hot tower blowing up to the south will allow the eyewall to build with height. I would expect a huge pressure drop shortly afterwards, and surface winds to translate a couple hours later.

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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion

#151 Postby ColdMiser123 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:47 am

Drop supports 976 mb
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion

#152 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 18, 2025 11:01 am

Will not be a piece of cake for Josh with his great experience doing the chases because of the angle that Erick will approach the coast.

 https://x.com/iCyclone/status/1935350007798054960

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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion Update= Forecast to be major hurricane

#153 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 18, 2025 11:14 am

Yellow Evan wrote:https://i.imgur.com/6xf6x2c.png

Eye warmed up to DG already.



Obscured by a VHT now.

Aircraft found this a little weaker than I would have guessed given a vigorous CDO with active VHTs and an intermittent visible eye.
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion Update= Forecast to be major hurricane

#154 Postby cheezyWXguy » Wed Jun 18, 2025 11:21 am

Yellow Evan wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:https://i.imgur.com/6xf6x2c.png

Eye warmed up to DG already.



Obscured by a VHT now.

Aircraft found this a little weaker than I would have guessed given a vigorous CDO with active VHTs and an intermittent visible eye.

Pressure of 976mb seems very low for a storm with such a small core and barely cat1 winds. Guessing the winds just haven’t caught up yet?

Also, looking at visible, I might have to take back my earlier comment about the eye being a little bigger but partially obscured. I haven’t seen what recon has measured but it looks to me on visible imagery that we might have a pinhole eye setting up.
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion Update= Forecast to be major hurricane

#155 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 18, 2025 11:29 am

cheezyWXguy wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:https://i.imgur.com/6xf6x2c.png

Eye warmed up to DG already.



Obscured by a VHT now.

Aircraft found this a little weaker than I would have guessed given a vigorous CDO with active VHTs and an intermittent visible eye.

Pressure of 976mb seems very low for a storm with such a small core and barely cat1 winds. Guessing the winds just haven’t caught up yet?

Also, looking at visible, I might have to take back my earlier comment about the eye being a little bigger but partially obscured. I haven’t seen what recon has measured but it looks to me on visible imagery that we might have a pinhole eye setting up.


Flight level reductions support 70-75 knots and they haven't sampled the northeast yet. CKZ for 976 mbar corresponds to 80 knots so that's what I expect in that quad tentatively.
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion

#156 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jun 18, 2025 11:46 am

CMG wrapping around now. Only thing holding this back is the eye temp.
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion

#157 Postby ColdMiser123 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:15 pm

Pressure fell considerably between passes
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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion

#158 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:15 pm

Peak Flight-Level Winds: 89kt at 17:09z
Minimum Extrap. Pressure: 972.5mb at 17:07z

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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion

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Re: EPAC: ERICK - Hurricane - Discussion

#160 Postby ColdMiser123 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:29 pm

Would go with 85 kt/971 mb with the next advisory based on this recon pass.
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