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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#861 Postby Steve » Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:55 pm

SouthFLTropics wrote:
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MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS wrote:
So... right into the mouth of the bay? In terms of surge that might actually be worse.


Bradenton and Sarasota are south of Tampa Bay (the body of water), the winds would be offshore over the bay as a result (but still Cat 3 or worse) but surge would be alleviated.


Surge would definitely be lessened but not eliminated. This is going to push a bunch of water out ahead of it and some of that is going to stack into the bay no matter what. If the center makes landfall south of the bay, an easterly wind would still likely push quite a bit of water into the east side of St. Petersburg.


Definitely true. I've only driven around down in Sarasota and Bradenton, but you already know there's way more there than just Tampa Bay north of Palma Sola. There are tons of inlets, rivers bays, etc. that are south of Tampa Bay that would get the massive surge. Manatee River (Bradenton), Palma Sola Bay, Lyons Bay, Sarasota Bay, Roberts Bay, Little Sarasota Bay, Charlotte Harbor, Dryman Bay, etc. And there are some really exclusive residences near and on the water and tons and tons and tons and tons of boats. And that's not to mention the barrier islands, many of which got smacked in Helene. So all those communities south of Tampa Bay from the Venice Inlet up to Anna Maria Island could get wrecked (talking Siesta Key, Sarasota Beach, Lido Key, Longboat Key, Bradenton Beach, Holmes, etc.)
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#862 Postby jdjaguar » Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:40 pm

snownado wrote:
Steve wrote:Something else you won't see for a pending landfalling hurricane in the US very often. Early-cycle intensity guidance for 18z

https://hurricanes.ral.ucar.edu/realtime/plots/northatlantic/2024/al142024/intensity_early/aal14_2024100718_intensity_early.png


The scaling on that chart is a bit off.

Current projections, for what they're worth, are a Cat 3 at landfall.

125mph CAT3 which is 5mph less than CAT4
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#863 Postby SFLcane » Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:41 pm

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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#864 Postby KC7NEC » Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:59 pm

jdjaguar wrote:
snownado wrote:
Steve wrote:Something else you won't see for a pending landfalling hurricane in the US very often. Early-cycle intensity guidance for 18z

https://hurricanes.ral.ucar.edu/realtime/plots/northatlantic/2024/al142024/intensity_early/aal14_2024100718_intensity_early.png


The scaling on that chart is a bit off.

Current projections, for what they're worth, are a Cat 3 at landfall.

125mph CAT3 which is 5mph less than CAT4


The storm is still pushing a powerful Cat 5-level surge, which is by far the bigger threat. What worries me most is that people will see the storm “weakening to a Cat 3” by landfall and mistakenly take it as a sign that it’s safe, when that couldn’t be further from the truth. The focus needs to be on the surge and flooding potential, not just the wind speed category. This is why I’m eager for the day when the NHC finally shifts away from using the Saffir-Simpson Scale and Cone and moves toward an Impact-Based system that actually communicates the full range of dangers a storm like this can bring. Until then, I’m afraid too many people will continue to underestimate storms just because they don’t understand what the “category” truly represents.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#865 Postby MrJames » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:08 pm

18z Icon
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#866 Postby Weathertracker96 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:13 pm

MrJames wrote:18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

Is that the same location as the 12z run?
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#867 Postby fllawyer » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:15 pm

Weathertracker96 wrote:
MrJames wrote:18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

Is that the same location as the 12z run?


Looks slightly S of 12Z but hard to tell.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#868 Postby MrJames » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:16 pm

Weathertracker96 wrote:
MrJames wrote:18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

Is that the same location as the 12z run?


18z Icon
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12z Icon
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Slightly south
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#869 Postby Weathertracker96 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:19 pm

MrJames wrote:
Weathertracker96 wrote:
MrJames wrote:18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

Is that the same location as the 12z run?


18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

12z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/1vEFeRJ.gif

Slightly south


Interesting to see a slight south shift.Thanks for posting.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#870 Postby skillz305 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:20 pm

Weathertracker96 wrote:
MrJames wrote:18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

Is that the same location as the 12z run?



12z location for comparison

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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#871 Postby jhpigott » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:20 pm

MrJames wrote:
Weathertracker96 wrote:
MrJames wrote:18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

Is that the same location as the 12z run?


18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

12z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/1vEFeRJ.gif

Slightly south


Looks quite a bit south on the exit off the east coast of FL. Sitting here just a couple miles SW of the Jupiter Inlet, I think our impacts could be quite a bit worse if this comes off the east coast closer to Vero Beach as opposed to Cape Canaveral
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#872 Postby skillz305 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:24 pm

jhpigott wrote:
MrJames wrote:
Weathertracker96 wrote:Is that the same location as the 12z run?


18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

12z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/1vEFeRJ.gif

Slightly south


Looks quite a bit south on the exit off the east coast of FL. Sitting here just a couple miles SW of the Jupiter Inlet, I think our impacts could be quite a bit worse if this comes off the east coast closer to Vero Beach as opposed to Cape Canaveral




Vero here... was def watching all day if any south trends and here we are :double: ICON has done very well in the gulf in recent past. Euro also trended a tad south. The 18z guidance models tightened up which seemed a bit south. Here we are. Looking at some cat 1 hurricane type effects over Vero if this plays out.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#873 Postby blp » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:24 pm

MrJames wrote:
Weathertracker96 wrote:
MrJames wrote:18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

Is that the same location as the 12z run?


18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

12z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/1vEFeRJ.gif

Slightly south


The exit of the state is much further south.

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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#874 Postby Weathertracker96 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:25 pm

jhpigott wrote:
MrJames wrote:
Weathertracker96 wrote:Is that the same location as the 12z run?


18z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/7niCgQD.gif

12z Icon
https://i.imgur.com/1vEFeRJ.gif

Slightly south


Looks quite a bit south on the exit off the east coast of FL. Sitting here just a couple miles SW of the Jupiter Inlet, I think our impacts could be quite a bit worse if this comes off the east coast closer to Vero Beach as opposed to Cape Canaveral


I agree. It’ll be interesting to see what the other models do. Since Vero is under a hurricane watch now, I’m going to put up shutters. That possible right hook after landfall is concerning.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#875 Postby NDG » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:30 pm

18z ICON
Was looking at Ian's model archives, about 48 hrs from landfall is when the UKMENT and ICON were persistent in landfall near Ft Meyer's area while the rest of the models were near Tampa Bay.

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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#876 Postby CronkPSU » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:41 pm

18z GFS just started running...let's see if we have any changes
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#877 Postby JtSmarts » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:49 pm

Icon and GFS initialized way high with the pressure, not sure if that actually ends up affecting the outcome.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#878 Postby skillz305 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:50 pm

CronkPSU wrote:18z GFS just started running...let's see if we have any changes



But how can we trust this run if its initiating point has it at a 982mb Hurricane? Real question.
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#879 Postby CronkPSU » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:52 pm

unless it makes a real quick right turn...looks like it will be right over tampa again
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Re: ATL: MILTON - Models

#880 Postby CronkPSU » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:53 pm

skillz305 wrote:
CronkPSU wrote:18z GFS just started running...let's see if we have any changes



But how can we trust this run if its initiating point has it at a 982mb Hurricane? Real question.


every run is like this...and we hear people ask that every storm and doesn't make a difference with both GFS and Euro
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