EPAC: NORMA - Remnants - Discussion

[Yellow Evan]

...MAJOR HURRICANE NORMA MOVING NORTHWARD...
...HEAVY RAINFALL AND FLOODING EXPECTED ACROSS SOUTHERN PORTIONS
OF BAJA CALIFORNIA SUR THROUGH THE WEEKEND...


SUMMARY OF 600 AM MDT...1200 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...17.0N 107.5W
ABOUT 255 MI...410 KM WSW OF MANZANILLO MEXICO
ABOUT 430 MI...690 KM SSE OF CABO SAN LUCAS MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...125 MPH...205 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 360 DEGREES AT 6 MPH...9 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...950 MB...28.05 INCHES

[Yellow Evan]

TXPZ25 KNES 191217
TCSENP

A. 17E (NORMA)
B. 19/1200Z
C. 17.0N
D. 107.5W
E. ONE/GOES-W
F. T6.0/6.0
G. IR/EIR/SWIR/AMSR2
H. REMARKS...MG EYE SURROUNDED BY CMG AND EMBEDDED IN W RESULTS IN
AN E# OF 6.0 WITH NO EADJ FOR A DT OF 6.0. 0902Z AMSR2 PASS SHOWED
WELL-DEFINED EYE AND SOLID EYEWALL. EXCELLENT POLEWARD UPR-LVL OUTFLOW
CHANNEL PRESENT. MET=5.0 AND PT=5.5. EYE SIZE APROX 20 NM. FT BASED ON DT.
I. ADDL POSITIONS
19/0902Z 16.5N 107.7W AMSR2

...KONON

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[Kingarabian]

Recon is on the way.

[Yellow Evan]

EP, 17, 2023101912, , BEST, 0, 170N, 1075W, 115, 946, HU, 64, NEQ, 25, 25, 20, 20, 1009, 250, 15, 0, 0, E, 0, , 0, 0, NORMA, D, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 028,

[aspen]

Norma is starting to struggle with shear, and I’m doubtful it ever hit Cat 4 intensity. I’m expecting recon to find a Cat 3.

[Teban54]

The women have really run the EPAC this year

Fun fact: Starting with Dora, every female name has been a Cat 4+, and every male name has been a TS. These are also the only Cat 4+ hurricanes of the season (and by "only" I mean 6 of them).

[Astromanía]

Seven majors this season...

[Yellow Evan]

Clear degradation on both IR and microwave - about 12 hours later than I expected.

[Iceresistance]

NHC now has Norma at 130 mph, likely the peak

[cycloneye]

NHC now has Norma at 130 mph, likely the peak

Unless recon finds stronger winds.

[aspen]

940.0 mbar extrapolated, ~110 kt FL and ~105 kt SFMR. Since the plane likely hasn’t sampled the max winds yet, I guess this is indeed a Cat 4.

[Yellow Evan]

Dropsonde supports 941.

MW degradation:

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[Yellow Evan]

Hurricane Norma Discussion Number 9
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP172023
300 PM MDT Thu Oct 19 2023

The satellite presentation of Norma has deteriorated since the last
advisory. The eye has become less defined, and the inner core
convection has become more asymmetric. The Air Force Reserve
Hurricane Hunters that investigated Norma reported that the eyewall
was open to the southeast during their final pass through the
center. Still, the aircraft data confirm that Norma is a major
hurricane. The Hurricane Hunters reported peak 700-mb flight-level
winds of 111 kt, with SFMR retrievals as high as 102 kt. The minimum
pressure from a recent center dropsonde was 945 mb with 12-kt winds.
The initial intensity is lowered to 110 kt for this advisory, which
could be a bit generous based on the recent aircraft data.

Based on recent satellite trends, it is likely that Norma has
reached its peak intensity. An increase in southerly shear will
likely cause Norma to become more vertically tilted during the next
couple of days, while the hurricane moves into a drier and more
stable environment as diagnosed from the SHIPS guidance. Therefore,
weakening is forecast beginning tonight and continuing through the
weekend and into early next week. Still, Norma is forecast to be a
hurricane when it moves near or over the southern tip of the Baja
California peninsula, and the government of Mexico has issued a
Hurricane Warning for this area based on the increased risk of
hurricane conditions.

The eye of Norma has wobbled some today, but the long-term motion
remains northward (350/5 kt). A turn toward the north-northwest is
expected during the next couple of days while Norma approaches the
southern tip of the Baja California peninsula. There are still speed
differences in the various global and regional models, likely
related to differences in the steering flow based on the vertical
depth of the cyclone. The GFS and regional models suggest Norma will
remain a deeper cyclone and move toward the west coast of mainland
Mexico in 48-72 h. The 12z ECMWF, Canadian, and UKMET runs show
Norma making it farther north than previous runs, but still stalling
near the southern tip of Baja before moving inland over western
Mexico early next week. The updated NHC track forecast has been
nudged westward and is faster this cycle, which generally keeps it
between the HCCA and TVCE aids. This update shows Norma inland by 96
h and dissipated over western Mexico by day 5, but this could occur
sooner than forecast if the GFS and regional hurricane models are
correct. Interests in western Mexico should monitor the latest
forecast updates, as future track and/or speed adjustments could be
required.


Key Messages:

1. A Hurricane Warning is in effect for the far southern portion of
the Baja California peninsula, where Norma is expected to bring
hurricane conditions on Saturday when it passes near or over the
area.

2. Heavy rains from Norma will begin to impact the far southern
portions of California Baja Sur on late Friday, continuing through
Sunday. This rainfall may produce flash and urban flooding, along
with possible mudslides in areas of higher terrain.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 19/2100Z 17.5N 108.0W 110 KT 125 MPH
12H 20/0600Z 18.5N 108.5W 105 KT 120 MPH
24H 20/1800Z 19.8N 109.1W 95 KT 110 MPH
36H 21/0600Z 21.2N 109.6W 80 KT 90 MPH
48H 21/1800Z 22.5N 109.7W 70 KT 80 MPH
60H 22/0600Z 23.6N 109.4W 60 KT 70 MPH
72H 22/1800Z 24.2N 108.9W 50 KT 60 MPH
96H 23/1800Z 25.0N 107.5W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND
120H 24/1800Z...DISSIPATED

$$
Forecaster Reinhart

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[Hurricane2022]

Looks like that Norma is again a Major. Winds likely around 125 mph now.

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