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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1221 Postby chaser1 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:08 am

ObsessedMiami wrote:
Steve wrote:If I was down on the peninsula, I'd probably get some basics knocked out today - ice, water, top off those gas tanks, etc. It's already going to be a holiday weekend with lots of travel. Fair chance the majority of the peninsula could be in line for tropical storm effects.


I vowed to get my gas early this year, five gallons per paycheck stored with StaBil because I am NOT doing the gas station shuffle that I did with Irma in Miami. Went ahead and moved up a couple of those cans to this morning. No lines for me this year (I hope)


Yes, yes, yes - "Prep crazy" or "prep easy". There's still a choice. That window might soon close however (like perhaps as early as sometime tomorrow :eek: ).
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1223 Postby sweetpea » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:09 am

TallyTracker wrote:I just got my car gassed up. Gonna fill up my 5-gallon jugs and I should be all set. Got tons of water and food already. Definitely not a bad idea to get your supplies in order today if you’re in Florida. If you don’t need it, it makes nice snacking over Christmas.


We are prepped too! Going out of town today and won't be back until Monday night. So I made sure we were stocked up yesterday. Hopefully it won't head this way. Stay safe!!
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1224 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:11 am

weeniepatrol wrote:https://imgur.com/sMnA50g


She has a defined inner core with surrounding rain bands.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1225 Postby tolakram » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:13 am

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1226 Postby Ivanhater » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:14 am

Horrible timing. My vacation at Universal studios Orlando is Monday through Sunday next week.

Hopefully it will move quickly if it does hit Orlando :x
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1227 Postby NDG » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:15 am

Airport in southern tip of St Lucia now reporting winds gusting to 79 mph.

METAR for: TLPL (Hewanorra Intl, VF, LC)
Text: TLPL 021400Z 08040G69KT 1000 -RA FEW010CB BKN038 27/26 Q1009 NOSIG
Temperature: 27.0°C ( 81°F)
Dewpoint: 26.0°C ( 79°F) [RH = 94%]
Pressure (altimeter): 29.79 inches Hg (1009.0 mb)
Winds: from the E (80 degrees) at 46 MPH (40 knots; 20.6 m/s) gusting to 79 MPH (69 knots; 35.5 m/s)

Visibility: 0.62 sm ( 1.00 km)
Ceiling: 3800 feet AGL
Clouds: few clouds at 1000 feet AGL, broken clouds at 3800 feet AGL
Weather: -RA (light rain)
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ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1228 Postby Sanibel » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:18 am

Don't want to pull the trigger until I see the whites of its eyes but I'm close to making the full hurricane evacuation call for the household...Stay calm, evaluate today...I think I have one good cane still in me...
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1229 Postby aspen » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:23 am

BYG Jacob wrote:
Hypercane_Kyle wrote:Recon finished, leaving us with more questions than answers.

It clarified a few things.
1. Given the small core size and extreme forward speed, getting the eye and accurate data is going to be very difficult. The hurricane hunters are the best, but they're only human
2. Given the extreme ridging, pressure will be abnormally high.
3. Elsa is absolutely producing hurricane-force winds.

That might explain why the HWRF has been showing quite high winds for the pressures its giving, like borderline Cat 3 winds for a low 970s system.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1230 Postby Steve » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:23 am

Ivanhater wrote:Horrible timing. My vacation at Universal studios Orlando is Monday through Sunday next week.

Hopefully it will move quickly if it does hit Orlando :x


That’s a long trip for Universal. Make sure to upgrade at least a couple days to skip the line (except typhoon lagoon). We were lapping people multiple times per ride last few times we went. Good thing is the theme parks never stay closed for long. Middle of the week looks diciest for O Town based on current forecast track. IR SIM by GFS at Tuesday night.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 206&fh=115
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1231 Postby tolakram » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:25 am

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1233 Postby GCANE » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:26 am

Looks like models are way off on this.
A recurring theme for the last few years.

CAPE is very high in the east Carib with a nice anchored UL High.

Starting to take a good, detailed look at this.
I expect more surprises down the road.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1234 Postby NDG » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:27 am

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1235 Postby NXStumpy_Robothing » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:28 am

Well, I had hoped that the recon flight would help clear up some questions and limit the model spread that has been plaguing both the track and intensity forecasts from the NHC. Unfortunately, due to issues that I can only speculate on and have no idea on their true nature, the flight ended up first flying over the island of Barbados at 700 mb, then came in too far south compared to the radar-observed center, so they missed the NE quad. They then found a nascent eddy without a west wind, explored a relatively convection-less area with very limited to nonexistent radar returns on the south side, and then missed the center to the SW again, meaning that the flight didn't sample much of any of the much stronger northern side. Considering all of that, and not to mention that the lowest pressure was coincided with an absolutely absurd and abrupt altitude alteration in the aircraft, I'm not sure how much of the data was uncontaminated by the weirdness of what appears to be an issue with the plane's instrumentation and the flight's measurements.

I hope the models have a better time discerning the flight data, because I'd greatly appreciate having some sort of consensus without model biases sending the storm anywhere from Bermuda to Lake Charles as either a remnant low or a full-fledged major hurricane. Ugh, what a mess.

Hopefully the next round of flights (Gonzo and a in-storm investigation by NOAA) turn out to be much better.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1236 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:28 am



Elsa is definitely bringing hurricane impacts this morning.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1237 Postby toad strangler » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:29 am

Ivanhater wrote:Horrible timing. My vacation at Universal studios Orlando is Monday through Sunday next week.

Hopefully it will move quickly if it does hit Orlando :x


The week you picked should be a shoe in to be clear of any tropical mischief. Crazy.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1238 Postby BYG Jacob » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:30 am

GCANE wrote:Looks like models are way off on this.
A recurring theme for the last few years.

CAPE is very high in the east Carib with a nice anchored UL High.

Starting to take a good, detailed look at this.
I expect more surprises down the road.

Welcome back GCANE!

What do you think of our Elsa?
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1239 Postby Ivanhater » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:31 am

Steve wrote:
Ivanhater wrote:Horrible timing. My vacation at Universal studios Orlando is Monday through Sunday next week.

Hopefully it will move quickly if it does hit Orlando :x


That’s a long trip for Universal. Make sure to upgrade at least a couple days to skip the line (except typhoon lagoon). We were lapping people multiple times per ride last few times we went. Good thing is the theme parks never stay closed for long. Middle of the week looks diciest for O Town based on current forecast track. IR SIM by GFS at Tuesday night.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 206&fh=115


We are staying at the hard rock resort so thankfully express passes are included.

I guess we can move the park days later in the week if it does come through Tuesday night and just hang out at the resort. I didn't think we would have to worry about a hurricane in early July :double:

I would not be upset if this comes through faster than forecast.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Hurricane - Discussion

#1240 Postby GCANE » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:31 am

Digging into it a little more.
Conditions look good all the way to Cuba.
Could be a major by the time it makes landfall.
I hope it doesn't take out the tobacco fields.
I love my Cuban cigars.
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