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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1481 Postby eastcoastFL » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:18 am

NDG wrote:There it is.

https://i.imgur.com/cMovLwq.png


Will they do a drop there?
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1482 Postby eastcoastFL » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:19 am

NDG wrote:Plenty of westerly winds found, we should see an upgrade soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOAA2 0213A CYCLONE HDOB 22 20200821
120330 1630N 05934W 8431 01600 0114 +192 +148 222006 008 028 000 00
120400 1628N 05934W 8417 01611 0122 +178 +152 225010 011 027 000 00
120430 1627N 05934W 8417 01610 0124 +174 +160 228009 010 027 000 00
120500 1625N 05934W 8421 01606 0125 +174 +154 247007 008 027 000 00
120530 1623N 05934W 8431 01600 0128 +174 +158 267006 006 022 000 00
120600 1621N 05934W 8433 01596 0124 +179 +144 287004 006 022 000 00
120630 1619N 05934W 8431 01601 0127 +182 +139 316003 004 021 000 00
120700 1617N 05935W 8433 01595 0122 +186 +131 316007 008 023 000 00
120730 1615N 05935W 8424 01608 0125 +178 +154 313007 008 023 000 00
120800 1613N 05934W 8415 01619 0122 +184 +160 305008 009 025 000 00
120830 1611N 05935W 8416 01618 0120 +186 +154 300007 008 025 000 00
120900 1609N 05935W 8426 01607 0123 +183 +157 302007 008 021 000 00
120930 1607N 05935W 8402 01625 0122 +181 +149 318008 009 022 000 00
121000 1605N 05935W 8417 01612 0119 +191 +135 308004 007 022 000 00
121030 1603N 05935W 8417 01613 0120 +193 +127 022003 004 023 000 00
121100 1601N 05935W 8422 01610 0122 +190 +147 338004 006 024 000 03
121130 1559N 05935W 8432 01601 0118 +192 +154 356007 008 023 000 00
121200 1557N 05936W 8434 01595 0114 +194 +160 357006 007 023 000 00
121230 1555N 05936W 8433 01598 0116 +197 +145 337006 007 026 000 00
121300 1553N 05937W 8428 01608 0117 +193 +152 269001 004 032 000 00


Probably at 11am we get Laura
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1483 Postby NDG » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:19 am

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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1484 Postby SFLcane » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:20 am

A bit earlier then models predicted. :eek:
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1485 Postby stormwatcher95 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:20 am

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 9.0
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 21 AUG 2020 Time : 115021 UTC
Lat : 17:56:52 N Lon : 59:17:47 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.0 / 999.6mb/ 45.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
3.0 3.1 4.0

Center Temp : -57.2C Cloud Region Temp : -59.2C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION

Subtropical Adjustment : OFF

Extratropical Adjustment : OFF

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : CKZ Method

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : 0.7T/6hr
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : N/A
- Environmental MSLP : 1011mb

Satellite Name : GOES16
Satellite Viewing Angle : 27.8 degrees
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1486 Postby Do_For_Love » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:20 am

Wow. If it does get upgraded, that would be almost a day in advance of 5am forecast. Possibly ruling out some of the lower end outcomes?

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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1487 Postby Weatherboy1 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:24 am

NDG wrote:Plenty of westerly winds found, we should see an upgrade soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOAA2 0213A CYCLONE HDOB 22 20200821
120330 1630N 05934W 8431 01600 0114 +192 +148 222006 008 028 000 00
120400 1628N 05934W 8417 01611 0122 +178 +152 225010 011 027 000 00
120430 1627N 05934W 8417 01610 0124 +174 +160 228009 010 027 000 00
120500 1625N 05934W 8421 01606 0125 +174 +154 247007 008 027 000 00
120530 1623N 05934W 8431 01600 0128 +174 +158 267006 006 022 000 00
120600 1621N 05934W 8433 01596 0124 +179 +144 287004 006 022 000 00
120630 1619N 05934W 8431 01601 0127 +182 +139 316003 004 021 000 00
120700 1617N 05935W 8433 01595 0122 +186 +131 316007 008 023 000 00
120730 1615N 05935W 8424 01608 0125 +178 +154 313007 008 023 000 00
120800 1613N 05934W 8415 01619 0122 +184 +160 305008 009 025 000 00
120830 1611N 05935W 8416 01618 0120 +186 +154 300007 008 025 000 00
120900 1609N 05935W 8426 01607 0123 +183 +157 302007 008 021 000 00
120930 1607N 05935W 8402 01625 0122 +181 +149 318008 009 022 000 00
121000 1605N 05935W 8417 01612 0119 +191 +135 308004 007 022 000 00
121030 1603N 05935W 8417 01613 0120 +193 +127 022003 004 023 000 00
121100 1601N 05935W 8422 01610 0122 +190 +147 338004 006 024 000 03
121130 1559N 05935W 8432 01601 0118 +192 +154 356007 008 023 000 00
121200 1557N 05936W 8434 01595 0114 +194 +160 357006 007 023 000 00
121230 1555N 05936W 8433 01598 0116 +197 +145 337006 007 026 000 00
121300 1553N 05937W 8428 01608 0117 +193 +152 269001 004 032 000 00


Yep. Doubted the "It's just a wave" talk several hours ago … figured part of the issue was just fast motion … noted improvement in satellite presentation earlier this morning. Now we likely have a TS at 11. Can't stress enough that IF this thing stacks/strengthens earlier than expected by GFS, UKMET, Euro, etc., then it's going to impact ultimate path/track down the road. So not all clear here in South FL IMO ...
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1488 Postby aspen » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:25 am

I was really hoping to wake up to two TCs with well-defined centers, and I got my wish. TD13 even looks a lot better this morning than last night.
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1489 Postby eastcoastFL » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:26 am

Ok so if they both get called up to the big leagues at 11am who gets what name?
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1490 Postby Blown Away » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:27 am

stormwatcher95 wrote:UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 9.0
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 21 AUG 2020 Time : 115021 UTC
Lat : 17:56:52 N Lon : 59:17:47 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.0 / 999.6mb/ 45.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
3.0 3.1 4.0

Center Temp : -57.2C Cloud Region Temp : -59.2C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION

Subtropical Adjustment : OFF

Extratropical Adjustment : OFF

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : CKZ Method

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : 0.7T/6hr
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : N/A
- Environmental MSLP : 1011mb

Satellite Name : GOES16
Satellite Viewing Angle : 27.8 degrees


The position above is a little S and E of 8am position. Big picture it’s about the same.
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1491 Postby eastcoastFL » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:27 am

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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1492 Postby SFLcane » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:28 am

Weatherboy1 wrote:
NDG wrote:Plenty of westerly winds found, we should see an upgrade soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOAA2 0213A CYCLONE HDOB 22 20200821
120330 1630N 05934W 8431 01600 0114 +192 +148 222006 008 028 000 00
120400 1628N 05934W 8417 01611 0122 +178 +152 225010 011 027 000 00
120430 1627N 05934W 8417 01610 0124 +174 +160 228009 010 027 000 00
120500 1625N 05934W 8421 01606 0125 +174 +154 247007 008 027 000 00
120530 1623N 05934W 8431 01600 0128 +174 +158 267006 006 022 000 00
120600 1621N 05934W 8433 01596 0124 +179 +144 287004 006 022 000 00
120630 1619N 05934W 8431 01601 0127 +182 +139 316003 004 021 000 00
120700 1617N 05935W 8433 01595 0122 +186 +131 316007 008 023 000 00
120730 1615N 05935W 8424 01608 0125 +178 +154 313007 008 023 000 00
120800 1613N 05934W 8415 01619 0122 +184 +160 305008 009 025 000 00
120830 1611N 05935W 8416 01618 0120 +186 +154 300007 008 025 000 00
120900 1609N 05935W 8426 01607 0123 +183 +157 302007 008 021 000 00
120930 1607N 05935W 8402 01625 0122 +181 +149 318008 009 022 000 00
121000 1605N 05935W 8417 01612 0119 +191 +135 308004 007 022 000 00
121030 1603N 05935W 8417 01613 0120 +193 +127 022003 004 023 000 00
121100 1601N 05935W 8422 01610 0122 +190 +147 338004 006 024 000 03
121130 1559N 05935W 8432 01601 0118 +192 +154 356007 008 023 000 00
121200 1557N 05936W 8434 01595 0114 +194 +160 357006 007 023 000 00
121230 1555N 05936W 8433 01598 0116 +197 +145 337006 007 026 000 00
121300 1553N 05937W 8428 01608 0117 +193 +152 269001 004 032 000 00


Yep. Doubted the "It's just a wave" talk several hours ago … figured part of the issue was just fast motion … noted improvement in satellite presentation earlier this morning. Now we likely have a TS at 11. Can't stress enough that IF this thing stacks/strengthens earlier than expected by GFS, UKMET, Euro, etc., then it's going to impact ultimate path/track down the road. So not all clear here in South FL IMO ...


Indeed watching this one closely! Considering it’s developing ahead of schedule.
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1493 Postby NDG » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:28 am

There it is, just a wave my butt, lol.

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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1494 Postby SFLcane » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:29 am

NDG wrote:There it is, just a wave my butt, lol.

https://i.imgur.com/W70btrk.png


:lol:
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1495 Postby AutoPenalti » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:29 am

Very, very, VERY weak center, but it was enough to classify it.

I believe HWRF 06z from yesterday had this down pat to be Laura by the morning.
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1496 Postby NDG » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:29 am

Should see an upgrade.

URNT12 KWBC 211220
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL132020
A. 21/12:00:13Z
B. 16.70 deg N 059.51 deg W
C. 850 MB 1523 m
D. 1011 mb
E. 247 deg 17 kt
F. NA
G. NA
H. 41 kt
I. 014 deg 130 nm 11:23:08Z
J. 111 deg 42 kt
K. 011 deg 161 nm 11:14:13Z
L. 33 kt
M. 206 deg 6 nm 12:01:55Z
N. 206 deg 13 kt
O. 207 deg 9 nm 12:02:42Z
P. 17 C / 1537 m
Q. 21 C / 1523 m
R. 10 C / NA
S. 13 / 8
T. 0.01 / 7 nm
U. NOAA2 0213A CYCLONE OB 06
MAX FL WIND 42 KT 011 / 161 NM 11:14:13Z
MAX FL TEMP 24 C 354 / 30 NM FROM FL CNTR
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1497 Postby invest man » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:30 am

Got a question for those in the know. This may be a question that belongs somewhere else but here goes. Just read an article about the possibility that both 13 and 14 may come together as 1 possibly while both are in the northern Gulf. They kind of made it out that this could be a type of “perfect storm” like the one that hit the NE area a few years back that the movie was based upon. Question is, is this a possibility and if so is there any model that shows this set up and then where would it go after landfall? Article used a couple of storms that did this in the pacific a few years back. I’ve never seen this happen with 2 hurricanes or even TS’s in the Atlantic. Sorry mods if this is the wrong place to ask this question.
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1498 Postby eastcoastFL » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:30 am

NDG wrote:There it is, just a wave my butt, lol.

https://i.imgur.com/W70btrk.png


People just had to go and poke the beast. Some never learn. Let’s see where this goes from here.
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1499 Postby aspen » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:31 am

Assuming the center doesn’t try to jump back up north if more convection fires up there (it’s still a weak storm and prone to center shifts), then on its current trajectory, it’ll scrape part of the PR and DR coasts. That would either put a lid on intensification, or act to help tighten it up, similar to what happened with Isaias.
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Re: ATL: THIRTEEN - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#1500 Postby NDG » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:32 am

AutoPenalti wrote:Very, very, VERY weak center, but it was enough to classify it.

I believe HWRF 06z from yesterday had this down pat to be Laura by the morning.


That LLC should start deepening with the Convection building now building near it.
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