ATL: ALBERTO - Post-Tropical

[StruThiO]

Radar presentation is look far better ..

Sorry to ask, but what link are you using to watch Alberto?

[CrazyC83]

000
URNT15 KNHC 280341
AF306 0501A ALBERTO HDOB 41 20180528
033200 2916N 08451W 8424 01526 //// +144 //// 133041 042 034 001 01
033230 2917N 08449W 8424 01527 //// +153 //// 135041 042 034 002 01
033300 2919N 08447W 8423 01528 //// +148 //// 137041 042 033 004 01
033330 2920N 08446W 8428 01526 0058 +154 +109 138039 041 033 004 00
033400 2922N 08444W 8421 01534 0058 +156 +113 137038 039 030 002 00
033430 2923N 08442W 8426 01532 0062 +154 +112 135037 038 029 000 03
033500 2925N 08442W 8423 01536 0063 +155 +112 130037 037 /// /// 03
033530 2927N 08444W 8426 01533 0061 +155 +116 126036 037 /// /// 03
033600 2927N 08447W 8433 01521 0059 +155 +122 122036 037 030 000 00
033630 2927N 08449W 8422 01534 0055 +158 +128 122037 037 032 000 00
033700 2927N 08452W 8421 01534 0055 +155 +131 124038 039 033 000 00
033730 2928N 08455W 8424 01530 0054 +157 +133 121038 039 035 000 00
033800 2928N 08458W 8425 01528 0052 +158 +134 123038 039 034 000 00
033830 2928N 08501W 8420 01532 0051 +159 +133 119038 040 035 000 00
033900 2929N 08504W 8421 01532 0049 +160 +134 116040 041 035 000 00
033930 2929N 08506W 8422 01530 0048 +159 +135 112042 042 034 000 00
034000 2929N 08509W 8424 01526 0051 +152 +138 114043 044 036 000 00
034030 2930N 08512W 8428 01521 0052 +150 +140 113041 044 036 000 00
034100 2930N 08515W 8419 01530 0053 +146 +138 114041 043 038 002 00
034130 2930N 08518W 8424 01522 0060 +132 //// 112043 045 039 004 01
$$
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[Twisted-core]

I am very frustrated with the "policy" NHC is utilizing in designating a cyclone subtropical versus tropical.
As Alyono pointed out several posts previously Alberto this year looks as much or even more tropical than innumerable other cyclones declared tropical.
As we all know subtropical cyclones DO NOT count towards a season's ACE. If Alberto '18 remains classified subtropical during the post season evaluation, then I dispute ALL of the previous seasons, and ask that HURDAT re-evaluate the hard work they have already been performing. Alberto '18 has exhibited a warm core at least at flight level of the aircraft, and a close radius of maximum winds since its inception. The fact that a sharp upper level trough contributed to its inception is irrelevant. Otherwise all other similar cyclones should be reclassified subtropical. Agnes, in 1972 was an upper level trough formation as innumerable other storms as well. Just look at the examples of satellite imagery provided in which Alyono concluded and I completely agree are equal or less compelling evidence to our current storm. If that makes sense?
If there has been a policy change, I hope the NHC will explicitly explain it. But in my opinion, Alberto is just as tropical as its namesakes in '12 and '06, Cindy last year, and trust me I could easily compile a list of twenty or thirty other cyclones previously listed as tropical in which our current Alberto is equal or even more tropical looking. For lack of a better description. Okay. I am off my soap box. I just want consistency so that we can keep a consistent record of tropical meteorology. If in the past we were lacking in defining a tropical versus subtropical cyclone I can accept that. But I hope we go back and "redefine" those cyclones to be consistent with the policies going forward now.

there you have it

That's why you leave to the specialised NHC they know best.

[Aric Dunn]

Radar presentation is look far better ..

Sorry to ask, but what link are you using to watch Alberto?

I have a program called Grlevel

but you can use any site. this one works well

https://www.sfwmd.gov/weather-radar/cur ... conditions

[RL3AO]

Well fantastic! If indeed subtropical cyclones count towards ACE then I bow down and get off my high horse. LOL
I am an referencing a very old comedy reference to Old Saturday Night Live sketches and say as Rosanna Dana might say... "nevermind."

Don't feel too bad. I just figured it out myself about 30 minutes ago when I was trying to figure out why Maue and Klotzbach's websites were counting the ACE for Alberto.

[StruThiO]

but you can use any site. this one works well

https://www.sfwmd.gov/weather-radar/cur ... conditions

thx!

[galaxy401]

Well fantastic! If indeed subtropical cyclones count towards ACE then I bow down and get off my high horse. LOL
I am an referencing a very old comedy reference to Old Saturday Night Live sketches and say as Rosanna Dana might say... "nevermind."

Don't feel too bad. I just figured it out myself about 30 minutes ago when I was trying to figure out why Maue and Klotzbach's websites were counting the ACE for Alberto.

Yeah, I think a lot of users online, including myself, just discovered that.

[TheAustinMan]

The strongest winds that reconnaissance has sampled thus far originate from the outer edge of the larger cluster of central convection as seen on radar imagery from Elgin AFB in Florida. As Aric noted, radar presentation is improving, and given that the storm has practically been stationary, the strengthening radar echoes would have more to do with strengthening convective activity as opposed to discrepancies with height due to the angled radar beam. Here's satellite data, recon data, and radar data overlaid upon one another.

114 KB. Source: Google Earth, tropicalatlantic.com's recon kml file, GRLevel radar data, infrared satellite data visualization mine

[CrazyC83]

000
URNT15 KNHC 280351
AF306 0501A ALBERTO HDOB 42 20180528
034200 2931N 08521W 8436 01511 0073 +126 +125 112048 050 040 004 00
034230 2931N 08523W 8428 01517 0075 +120 +120 105049 052 038 012 00
034300 2931N 08526W 8439 01503 0072 +116 +115 103046 049 034 011 03
034330 2932N 08528W 8443 01502 0074 +114 +111 099046 048 041 014 03
034400 2932N 08531W 8426 01526 0071 +123 +108 097043 049 039 012 03
034430 2932N 08533W 8444 01503 0067 +126 +106 090034 038 045 032 03
034500 2933N 08536W 8426 01520 0060 +133 +106 104036 041 030 008 00
034530 2933N 08538W 8451 01494 0065 +126 +106 097040 044 031 012 00
034600 2933N 08540W 8429 01517 0066 +125 +105 097032 038 029 013 03
034630 2934N 08542W 8423 01522 0067 +125 +104 099035 037 032 007 00
034700 2934N 08544W 8435 01512 0058 +140 +103 094036 037 033 004 00
034730 2934N 08546W 8423 01525 0061 +136 +103 104037 039 033 006 00
034800 2934N 08548W 8440 01507 0061 +136 +104 108040 041 032 005 00
034830 2935N 08551W 8417 01528 0056 +141 +106 105036 042 032 005 00
034900 2935N 08553W 8437 01508 0056 +141 +108 103041 042 031 005 00
034930 2935N 08555W 8430 01515 0058 +133 +110 107040 042 034 018 00
035000 2935N 08557W 8436 01507 0060 +131 +111 093040 042 031 006 00
035030 2936N 08559W 8445 01500 0066 +124 +111 089037 041 033 015 00
035100 2936N 08601W 8423 01523 0067 +123 +108 092043 045 035 015 00
035130 2936N 08604W 8433 01513 0067 +124 +106 090048 050 036 016 00
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[CrazyC83]

000
URNT15 KNHC 280401
AF306 0501A ALBERTO HDOB 43 20180528
035200 2936N 08606W 8434 01513 0066 +128 +104 088041 047 033 006 00
035230 2937N 08608W 8427 01520 0064 +130 +103 086041 042 031 006 00
035300 2937N 08610W 8414 01533 0059 +138 +103 082040 041 031 002 00
035330 2937N 08613W 8425 01526 0059 +144 +106 079038 040 032 000 00
035400 2938N 08615W 8428 01522 0057 +149 +109 081038 039 033 000 00
035430 2938N 08618W 8429 01524 0060 +145 +112 077035 038 033 000 00
035500 2938N 08620W 8425 01527 0058 +146 +116 078035 035 032 000 00
035530 2938N 08623W 8424 01528 0059 +146 +120 082036 036 032 000 00
035600 2939N 08625W 8425 01527 0059 +145 +123 074036 037 032 000 00
035630 2939N 08628W 8432 01522 0059 +146 +126 072034 036 033 000 00
035700 2939N 08630W 8422 01532 0059 +146 +128 072032 033 033 000 03
035730 2940N 08633W 8428 01522 0059 +145 +130 074031 032 032 000 00
035800 2940N 08635W 8429 01524 0059 +147 +131 071033 034 032 000 00
035830 2940N 08637W 8422 01530 0057 +150 +132 070034 035 033 000 00
035900 2941N 08640W 8430 01524 0057 +153 +133 068032 035 033 000 00
035930 2941N 08642W 8424 01533 0056 +155 +133 069029 031 033 000 00
040000 2941N 08645W 8432 01524 0054 +159 +134 069030 030 032 000 00
040030 2941N 08647W 8424 01533 0055 +158 +134 067031 032 032 000 00
040100 2942N 08650W 8429 01526 0058 +154 +135 070032 032 032 000 03
040130 2942N 08652W 8428 01528 0060 +152 +136 070031 032 032 000 03
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[Aric Dunn]

Decent band of 50 DBZ around the north and NE side of the center . for the first time ever.. lol its trying to get that dry air out.. water vapor showing that it has cut off the dry air feed. just now has to work out the remaining pocket.

[djones65]

From radar loops it appears that Alberto has now crossed west of 86 longitude. Probably 86.2 when recon turns and penetrates for last vortex message from its mission.
Then we wait until dawn for the next aircraft.
I don't see a scenario in which it strengthens more than it is now, but I am curious about how high the storm surge may be when it comes ashore late tomorrow morning or afternoon.

[Yellow Evan]

Well fantastic! If indeed subtropical cyclones count towards ACE then I bow down and get off my high horse. LOL
I am an referencing a very old comedy reference to Old Saturday Night Live sketches and say as Rosanna Dana might say... "nevermind."

Don't feel too bad. I just figured it out myself about 30 minutes ago when I was trying to figure out why Maue and Klotzbach's websites were counting the ACE for Alberto.

Prior to 2014, I don't think they generally were counted.

[BobHarlem]

No 0z GFS run tonight?

[SunnyThoughts]

No 0z GFS run tonight?

I usually view it on tropical tidbits, but it hasn't showed up yet. I know that site has been having difficulties with some things, perhaps someone has it from another site.

[bamajammer4eva]

No 0z GFS run tonight?

I usually view it on tropical tidbits, but it hasn't showed up yet. I know that site has been having difficulties with some things, perhaps someone has it from another site.

Not on Pivotal nor weather.us either

[CrazyC83]

000
URNT15 KNHC 280421
AF306 0501A ALBERTO HDOB 45 20180528
041200 2939N 08723W 8429 01528 0058 +154 +133 061023 023 029 000 00
041230 2938N 08722W 8430 01526 0056 +158 +132 060023 024 030 000 00
041300 2937N 08721W 8429 01528 0056 +157 +131 059023 024 030 000 00
041330 2936N 08720W 8430 01523 0053 +160 +130 063023 024 030 000 00
041400 2935N 08718W 8426 01528 0055 +155 +130 062025 026 030 001 00
041430 2934N 08717W 8429 01526 0056 +154 +130 058025 026 030 001 00
041500 2933N 08716W 8428 01524 0055 +151 +129 055025 025 032 000 00
041530 2931N 08714W 8429 01526 0053 +156 +128 058025 027 031 000 00
041600 2930N 08713W 8429 01520 0052 +158 +127 066024 027 031 000 00
041630 2929N 08712W 8427 01525 0052 +157 +127 065025 026 031 000 00
041700 2928N 08711W 8429 01521 0051 +157 +127 062026 027 031 000 00
041730 2927N 08709W 8428 01523 0048 +163 +127 069025 027 031 000 03
041800 2926N 08708W 8429 01520 0046 +162 +126 068026 026 030 000 00
041830 2925N 08707W 8427 01523 0048 +157 +127 063026 026 031 000 00
041900 2924N 08705W 8432 01517 0051 +152 +126 061026 026 031 000 00
041930 2923N 08704W 8428 01520 0048 +155 +127 056028 029 031 000 00
042000 2922N 08703W 8428 01518 0050 +150 +127 051030 031 031 000 00
042030 2920N 08702W 8429 01517 0050 +148 +127 056031 031 032 000 00
042100 2919N 08700W 8429 01517 0051 +145 +125 057029 031 031 000 00
042130 2918N 08659W 8415 01529 0051 +142 +126 054030 033 031 001 00
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[CrazyC83]

000
URNT15 KNHC 280431
AF306 0501A ALBERTO HDOB 46 20180528
042200 2917N 08658W 8425 01517 0052 +141 +125 062031 031 032 000 00
042230 2916N 08656W 8429 01514 0048 +145 +124 057031 032 032 000 00
042300 2915N 08655W 8432 01508 0046 +147 +122 056033 034 033 000 00
042330 2914N 08654W 8425 01513 0047 +143 +121 055033 035 034 000 00
042400 2913N 08653W 8433 01507 0044 +144 +121 061035 035 034 000 00
042430 2912N 08651W 8424 01514 0044 +144 +121 061036 037 034 000 00
042500 2911N 08650W 8433 01503 0042 +145 +120 059038 039 035 000 00
042530 2909N 08649W 8429 01503 0042 +141 +120 054039 042 035 002 00
042600 2908N 08648W 8431 01502 0047 +131 +119 053036 039 036 003 00
042630 2907N 08646W 8424 01509 0047 +129 +118 055042 043 036 003 00
042700 2906N 08645W 8434 01497 0038 +143 +114 056043 044 038 001 00
042730 2905N 08644W 8426 01504 0035 +147 +109 058045 046 037 001 00
042800 2904N 08643W 8426 01503 0031 +150 +107 060044 045 037 000 00
042830 2903N 08641W 8429 01498 0030 +148 +108 060040 042 037 000 00
042900 2902N 08640W 8428 01498 0028 +146 +110 054040 041 038 000 00
042930 2901N 08639W 8429 01492 0027 +145 +112 055042 043 038 000 00
043000 2900N 08638W 8428 01493 0024 +145 +113 052044 044 038 000 00
043030 2859N 08636W 8431 01485 0020 +145 +114 051046 047 037 000 00
043100 2857N 08635W 8430 01486 0019 +144 +114 053045 047 038 000 00
043130 2856N 08634W 8429 01482 0019 +137 +116 054049 049 037 000 00
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[CapsLock]

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/modelstatus/

Great website to check the status of all the models, it says the GFS subsets are Late at 0 Frames recieved, but GFS-Full is 96% so maybe it will show up here in a bit? Usually it shows up whenever the first few frames come in, but we will see I guess.

[CrazyC83]

000
URNT15 KNHC 280441
AF306 0501A ALBERTO HDOB 47 20180528
043200 2855N 08633W 8426 01484 0013 +142 +117 055046 049 039 000 00
043230 2854N 08631W 8430 01479 0010 +145 +117 056045 046 040 000 00
043300 2853N 08630W 8429 01477 0006 +150 +117 055040 044 039 001 00
043330 2852N 08629W 8430 01473 0000 +150 +118 057040 041 040 000 00
043400 2851N 08628W 8429 01471 9998 +150 +119 056043 044 041 001 00
043430 2850N 08626W 8428 01468 9995 +150 +120 056041 044 044 000 03
043500 2849N 08625W 8428 01464 9989 +153 +119 055040 041 043 000 00
043530 2848N 08624W 8429 01460 9982 +155 +121 055040 040 043 000 00
043600 2847N 08623W 8430 01455 9977 +158 +122 055039 040 044 001 00
043630 2846N 08621W 8427 01455 9974 +156 +123 055039 041 045 000 00
043700 2844N 08620W 8432 01448 9968 +160 +124 055039 041 044 000 00
043730 2843N 08619W 8428 01449 9963 +163 +126 051038 039 045 001 00
043800 2842N 08618W 8433 01441 9958 +166 +127 053036 038 045 000 00
043830 2841N 08616W 8425 01447 9956 +164 +129 050037 037 044 000 00
043900 2840N 08615W 8429 01441 9948 +171 +130 047034 036 041 000 00
043930 2839N 08614W 8429 01438 9944 +175 +131 049032 033 039 001 00
044000 2838N 08612W 8430 01430 9940 +174 +134 048030 032 039 000 03
044030 2836N 08611W 8428 01432 9935 +175 +136 046026 029 038 000 00
044100 2835N 08610W 8429 01427 9933 +175 +138 045023 024 035 001 00
044130 2834N 08609W 8429 01425 9931 +173 +140 054020 022 029 001 00
$$
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