ATL: ALBERTO - Post-Tropical

[Florabamaman]

Coast guard has just been called in for a swimmer at Pensacola Pier who went into the water and never came out.

[kthmcc7319]

I’m feeling a little more at ease due to Alberto’s lack of a “tropical” classification and that the forecast predicts no further intensification, but the central line of the NHC cone is within 4 miles of my house. Yikes! Leaves me a little concerned. I’m just across the Choctawhatchee Bay from Destin, FL.

[CrazyC83]

Coast guard has just been called in for a swimmer at Pensacola Pier who went into the water and never came out.

What is the source of that report?

[Aric Dunn]

latest recon pass. the center has only drifted maybe a few miles..

[bamajammer4eva]

Not much here, but that's to be expected in a situation like this. Wind is gusting a wee bit, but nothing exceptional, not even rain showers as of yet.

*However*, there are fools along the coast from Dauphin Island to Panama City who seem to think that the NHC and the beach patrols are just joking about the red flag warnings. At least 6 people had to be rescued from rip currents along the northern Gulf Coast today.

Stay. Out. Of. The. Water!!!

There was one drowning death yesterday in PCB which I would guess they will consider Alberto related

http://www.mypanhandle.com/news/alabama ... 1201316723

[Janie2006]

I say these things because I know we've always had a lot of lurkers here, and that's well and good, so long as they heed some of the very good advice that often posted. That being said, someone always has to learn the hard way. I just hope it isn't an absolutely pointless drowning because someone "didn't think it would be that bad". It is, from Gulfport, Mississippi all the way down the west coast of Florida.

Ok, off the soapbox now.

[Florabamaman]

Coast guard has just been called in for a swimmer at Pensacola Pier who went into the water and never came out.

What is the source of that report?

WEAR News 3. http://bit.ly/2INUtvz

[SeaBrz_FL]

Not much here, but that's to be expected in a situation like this. Wind is gusting a wee bit, but nothing exceptional, not even rain showers as of yet.

*However*, there are fools along the coast from Dauphin Island to Panama City who seem to think that the NHC and the beach patrols are just joking about the red flag warnings. At least 6 people had to be rescued from rip currents along the northern Gulf Coast today.

Stay. Out. Of. The. Water!!!

Janie2006 - I completely understand your frustration. We get the same "infallible idiots" on our CFL East Coast beaches during storms.

Post-Alberto here in Cape Canaveral: We were so fortunate. Nice rainfall and low winds. I watched my backyard tropical trees (banana, papaya, coconut palm, ...) throw a happy dance party, but best of all the damn peacocks stopped squawking for a whole four hours for the first time in six months (longest mating season EVER)! I still worry about an Osprey nest family in Foley, AL. The new chicks are are about 7-10 days out from flying. (YT: https://youtu.be/xJWQMoM8MSA) YT is only on during live coverage, but that's usually 12+ hours per day - weather permitting.

Lastly, for all my FloriBama friends, hunker down, stay safe, and can't wait to hear your storm stories. XOXO

[JaxGator]

Despite the amount of dry air being entrained into the circulation, Alberto has been resilient to a certain degree and strengthening some (mainly because of the decreasing shear and increasingly warmer waters).

[CrazyC83]

000
URNT15 KNHC 280321
AF306 0501A ALBERTO HDOB 39 20180528
031200 2821N 08555W 8433 01419 //// +186 //// 109004 005 016 000 05
031230 2823N 08554W 8425 01423 //// +187 //// 126008 009 016 000 01
031300 2824N 08553W 8429 01418 //// +191 //// 130010 012 017 000 01
031330 2825N 08551W 8430 01418 //// +186 //// 133014 014 017 000 01
031400 2826N 08550W 8429 01416 //// +180 //// 137016 018 016 000 01
031430 2827N 08549W 8430 01418 //// +176 //// 137021 023 024 000 01
031500 2828N 08548W 8430 01420 //// +173 //// 137025 026 029 001 01
031530 2830N 08546W 8428 01425 //// +170 //// 138029 030 032 001 01
031600 2831N 08545W 8429 01426 //// +168 //// 139033 035 037 000 01
031630 2832N 08544W 8425 01433 //// +165 //// 142038 040 037 000 01
031700 2833N 08542W 8431 01431 //// +167 //// 140040 042 041 000 01
031730 2834N 08541W 8429 01436 //// +166 //// 139044 044 040 001 01
031800 2835N 08540W 8428 01442 //// +164 //// 140043 044 040 003 01
031830 2836N 08538W 8421 01452 //// +156 //// 139047 049 040 003 01
031900 2837N 08537W 8419 01460 //// +147 //// 144048 050 040 005 01
031930 2839N 08535W 8418 01464 //// +140 //// 145051 053 045 005 01
032000 2840N 08533W 8428 01457 //// +140 //// 143053 055 048 006 01
032030 2842N 08532W 8423 01470 //// +135 //// 141053 054 051 007 05
032100 2843N 08530W 8420 01474 //// +136 //// 144055 056 049 007 01
032130 2845N 08528W 8423 01475 //// +130 //// 143054 055 049 007 01
$$
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[djones65]

I am very frustrated with the "policy" NHC is utilizing in designating a cyclone subtropical versus tropical.
As Alyono pointed out several posts previously Alberto this year looks as much or even more tropical than innumerable other cyclones declared tropical.
As we all know subtropical cyclones DO NOT count towards a season's ACE. If Alberto '18 remains classified subtropical during the post season evaluation, then I dispute ALL of the previous seasons, and ask that HURDAT re-evaluate the hard work they have already been performing. Alberto '18 has exhibited a warm core at least at flight level of the aircraft, and a close radius of maximum winds since its inception. The fact that a sharp upper level trough contributed to its inception is irrelevant. Otherwise all other similar cyclones should be reclassified subtropical. Agnes, in 1972 was an upper level trough formation as innumerable other storms as well. Just look at the examples of satellite imagery provided in which Alyono concluded and I completely agree are equal or less compelling evidence to our current storm. If that makes sense?
If there has been a policy change, I hope the NHC will explicitly explain it. But in my opinion, Alberto is just as tropical as its namesakes in '12 and '06, Cindy last year, and trust me I could easily compile a list of twenty or thirty other cyclones previously listed as tropical in which our current Alberto is equal or even more tropical looking. For lack of a better description. Okay. I am off my soap box. I just want consistency so that we can keep a consistent record of tropical meteorology. If in the past we were lacking in defining a tropical versus subtropical cyclone I can accept that. But I hope we go back and "redefine" those cyclones to be consistent with the policies going forward now.

[Janie2006]

Janie2006 - I completely understand your frustration. We get the same "infallible idiots" on our CFL East Coast beaches during storms.

Post-Alberto here in Cape Canaveral: We were so fortunate. Nice rainfall and low winds. I watched my backyard tropical trees (banana, papaya, coconut palm, ...) throw a happy dance party, but best of all the damn peacocks stopped squawking for a whole four hours for the first time in six months (longest mating season EVER)! I still worry about an Osprey nest family in Foley, AL. The new chicks are are about 7-10 days out from flying. (YT: https://youtu.be/xJWQMoM8MSA) YT is only on during live coverage, but that's usually 12+ hours per day - weather permitting.

Lastly, for all my FloriBama friends, hunker down, stay safe, and can't wait to hear your storm stories. XOXO

Basically, it's a lack of respect for tropical systems and the things they very often do.

The sensible weather in the Mobtown area (aka Mobile) is fine and dandy. So far, I think the osprey family will be fine....as long as they don't decide to go swimming.

[Aric Dunn]

anyone have that link to all the satellite loops of past hurricanes ?

[RL3AO]

As we all know subtropical cyclones DO NOT count towards a season's ACE. If Alberto '18 remains classified subtropical during the post season evaluation, then I dispute ALL of the previous seasons, and ask that HURDAT re-evaluate

That was my understanding, but there appears to be a recent change to the definition. It now states ACE is calculated for all named storms which is defined as a tropical storm, subtropical storm, or hurricane. At least that is how NOAA/NHC/AOML is calculating ACE.

[stormhunter7]

new recon has 993mb and a location just northwest of last fix?

[CrazyC83]

000
URNT15 KNHC 280331
AF306 0501A ALBERTO HDOB 40 20180528
032200 2846N 08526W 8422 01482 //// +130 //// 140055 059 046 006 01
032230 2848N 08524W 8425 01483 //// +131 //// 137057 059 045 007 05
032300 2849N 08523W 8430 01483 //// +111 //// 135062 063 043 005 01
032330 2851N 08521W 8421 01495 //// +133 //// 134060 062 044 001 01
032400 2852N 08519W 8425 01493 //// +125 //// 132058 062 040 002 05
032430 2854N 08517W 8426 01497 //// +108 //// 132058 059 039 006 01
032500 2855N 08516W 8426 01498 //// +125 //// 134058 059 040 001 01
032530 2857N 08514W 8423 01507 //// +137 //// 136056 058 039 001 01
032600 2858N 08512W 8425 01507 //// +140 //// 134053 056 036 000 01
032630 2900N 08510W 8424 01509 //// +140 //// 132049 052 034 000 01
032700 2901N 08509W 8424 01512 //// +138 //// 133049 049 033 000 01
032730 2902N 08507W 8424 01513 //// +132 //// 134048 049 034 000 01
032800 2904N 08505W 8426 01512 //// +140 //// 134046 049 032 000 01
032830 2905N 08503W 8425 01516 //// +140 //// 135044 045 031 000 01
032900 2907N 08502W 8425 01516 //// +140 //// 138045 046 033 001 01
032930 2908N 08500W 8432 01513 //// +144 //// 136042 045 034 000 01
033000 2910N 08458W 8419 01525 //// +133 //// 130042 044 032 001 01
033030 2911N 08456W 8424 01522 //// +127 //// 131044 045 032 001 01
033100 2913N 08455W 8422 01526 //// +147 //// 132044 045 029 000 01
033130 2914N 08453W 8425 01526 //// +149 //// 132043 045 032 000 01
$$
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[Aric Dunn]

new recon has 993mb and a location just north of last fix?

yeah it is just doing small cyclonic loops right now. basically stationary.

[Aric Dunn]

Radar presentation is look far better ..

[CrazyC83]

000
URNT12 KNHC 280329
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL012018
A. 28/03:10:50Z
B. 28 deg 18 min N
085 deg 56 min W
C. 850 mb 1348 m
D. 41 kt
E. 146 deg 47 nm
F. 208 deg 47 kt
G. 143 deg 58 nm
H. 993 mb
I. 16 C / 1525 m
J. 19 C / 1525 m
K. NA / NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 134 / 8
O. 0.02 / 4.5 nm
P. AF306 0501A ALBERTO OB 19
MAX OUTBOUND AND MAX FL WIND 63 KT 047 / 42 NM 03:23:00Z
CNTR DROPSONDE SFC WIND 270 / 10 KT
MAX FL TEMP 19 C 027 / 7 NM FROM FL CNTR
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Pressure up a millibar to 992.

[djones65]

Well fantastic! If indeed subtropical cyclones count towards ACE then I bow down and get off my high horse. LOL
I am an referencing a very old comedy reference to Old Saturday Night Live sketches and say as Rosanna Dana might say... "nevermind."