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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#61 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:45 pm

Well the GFS once again is coming in further north than the ECM, looks like a much more noticeable weakness between 120-168hrs which helps to lift 93L out, though upto 240hrs it is still heading NW.

Way too early to put any confidence in any model solution obviously, firstly lets see how the models do with handling any fomration of 93L. The models certainly have become less aggressive to start with and I think that is reasonable.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#62 Postby Alyono » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:46 pm

new GFS way weaker. Wouldn't be surprised if this is a trend. If every wave would have developed like the models said, we'd have had 8 Cape Verde hurricanes this year
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#63 Postby RL3AO » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:49 pm

Alyono wrote:new GFS way weaker. Wouldn't be surprised if this is a trend. If every wave would have developed like the models said, we'd have had 8 Cape Verde hurricanes this year


Wonder what the issue will be with this one. No noticeable dust. Must be the subsidence to the west of the trough developing N of the CVIs.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#64 Postby SouthFLTropics » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:52 pm

Is it just me or does the GFS seem to slow with the forward progress of 93L? Most systems have been scooting across the MDR at a pretty good clip this year.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#65 Postby forecasterjack » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:05 pm

ECMWF depicts a very favorable intensification environment. I put the links in the discussion thread (oops). ECMWF depicts what would be just about the worst case situation for the east coast. BH strong enough to force it to the coast, then strong trough to pull it up.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#66 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:18 pm

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Ens not showing a strong trough over the east coast. Not seeing a cutoff there atm.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#67 Postby Alyono » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:26 pm

RL3AO wrote:
Alyono wrote:new GFS way weaker. Wouldn't be surprised if this is a trend. If every wave would have developed like the models said, we'd have had 8 Cape Verde hurricanes this year


Wonder what the issue will be with this one. No noticeable dust. Must be the subsidence to the west of the trough developing N of the CVIs.


we usually don't get significant development at the latitude the GFS and most models have it
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#68 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:59 pm

Alyono wrote:new GFS way weaker. Wouldn't be surprised if this is a trend. If every wave would have developed like the models said, we'd have had 8 Cape Verde hurricanes this year


Amen. 96 hours the models only have minimal development and we shouldn't be looking past that. In fact I've seen the GFS and the Euro drop systems that were modeled out less than 84 hours out.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#69 Postby AubreyStorm » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:03 pm

Invest #93L
Watching it closely.

Next 10-14 days will be telling.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#70 Postby Digital-TC-Chaser » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:07 pm

Digital-TC-Chaser wrote:Image

Ens not showing a strong trough over the east coast. Not seeing a cutoff there atm.



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EPS i snatched off twitter not showing strong trough either to induce a negative tilt.
But it does show a cane re curving nne away from the coast on the run.Not land-falling.

Atl appears to be be on roll, 200mb is ideal for C/V easterly waves to keep rolling off.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#71 Postby facemane » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:44 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:18z GFS coming in much weaker. Hope this isn't another 92L or 99L.


I hope it is. if it does develop, I hope it turns NE into the North Atlantic graveyard.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#72 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:50 pm

00z guidance.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#73 Postby AutoPenalti » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:50 pm

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CyclonicFury wrote:18z GFS coming in much weaker. Hope this isn't another 92L or 99L.


I hope it is. if it does develop, I hope it turns NE into the North Atlantic graveyard.

A weaker storm in the MDR, in some cases, means problems for the CONUS.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#74 Postby gatorcane » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:24 pm

NAVGEM trending weaker:

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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#75 Postby GeneratorPower » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:35 pm

AutoPenalti wrote:
facemane wrote:
CyclonicFury wrote:18z GFS coming in much weaker. Hope this isn't another 92L or 99L.


I hope it is. if it does develop, I hope it turns NE into the North Atlantic graveyard.

A weaker storm in the MDR, in some cases, means problems for the CONUS.


Homegrown and/or delayed development storms make up a large percentage of those storms which affect the USA. As a child I remember watching the Tropical Update on the Weather Channel in the 80s. Storm after storm developed in the MDR and then recurved. Ivan made it all the way across in 2004 but started at extremely low latitude.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#76 Postby Blown Away » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:16 pm

Nearly all storms that effect Fl from the E won't develop before @55W, same rule generally applies for mid Atlantic strikes, but a few developed farther E and striked mid Atlantic...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#77 Postby Kingarabian » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:29 pm

00z GFS coming in with more development, similar track.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#78 Postby blp » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:30 pm

Kingarabian wrote:00z GFS coming in with more development, similar track.


Much further SW so far. This is a different run. Looks closer to Euro.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#79 Postby SouthFLTropics » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:44 pm

Big shift SW on the 00z GFS...trough not near as sharp this run.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models

#80 Postby SouthFLTropics » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:49 pm

Uh oh...it might be stuck...not sure it escapes, trough looks to be retrograding...

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