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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#341 Postby Sciencerocks » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:46 pm

Alyono wrote:ewrc has not failed

https://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc-bin/tc_h ... egreeticks

outer eyewall has become better established once again. It is also contracting

A second moat is also forming



Wouldn't this be a sign of "dry" air(aka Ike, Rita for some examples) that keep this thing from forming a solid outer eyewall and completing the ewrc?
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#342 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:47 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:Weird that we're seeing variance on the state of the storm with these microwave passes. Satellite trends definitely match the idea of a failed or at least delayed eyewall replacement cycle. This is clearly gathering strength again:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/3677Tml.gif[/ig]


It's been acting like this since yesterday.

We seriously have a lot to learn about ERCs.


Its core is very small. I don't know much about EWRC but I wonder if that plays a role.
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#343 Postby Alyono » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:49 pm

seems like a setup of multiple ewrc, one after another
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#344 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:50 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:
TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:Weird that we're seeing variance on the state of the storm with these microwave passes. Satellite trends definitely match the idea of a failed or at least delayed eyewall replacement cycle. This is clearly gathering strength again:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/3677Tml.gif[/ig]


It's been acting like this since yesterday.

We seriously have a lot to learn about ERCs.


Its core is very small. I don't know much about EWRC but I wonder if that plays a role.


Maybe its small core is helping it maintain its intensity. Usually we're supposed to see the eye fill up with clouds, then contract into a bigger one. The eye did contract a little but, but never did the eye lose its definition.
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#345 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:51 pm

Alyono wrote:seems like a setup of multiple ewrc, one after another


Or the mysterious double eyed phenomenon that was seen before

Edit: nvm.
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#346 Postby 1900hurricane » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:51 pm

The 91 GHz outer eyewall on Alyono's F-18 pass is showing up pretty much exactly where it is on the GPM pass TA13 and I posted when using 37 GHz. I'm not sure why the signal was so weak on the GPM 89 GHz.
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#347 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:52 pm

Goes 16 ADT again. This is more impressive than at any point she looked yesterday from it.

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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#348 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:53 pm

Ntxw wrote:Goes 16 ADT again. This is more impressive than at any point she looked yesterday from it.

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That's definitely a 6.5 if not higher.

What's the goes16 ADT link?
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#349 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:55 pm

Kingarabian wrote:What's the goes16 ADT link?


http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/adt/goesrPG/

Yeah, next advisory better be at least 125kts :lol:
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#350 Postby 1900hurricane » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:57 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Goes 16 ADT again. This is more impressive than at any point she looked yesterday from it.

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That's definitely a 6.5 if not higher.

What's the goes16 ADT link?

Here you go!

The eye size and angle that GOES-16 is viewing it at may finally be offsetting the satellite's superior spatial resolution (*EDIT: not quite yet! The eye temp just broke warm medium grey again per GOES-16, which is a little warmer than GOES-15).
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#351 Postby 1900hurricane » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:01 pm

Also, for anyone curious, here's how to use the Dvorak eye pattern.

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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#352 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:13 pm

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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#353 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:15 pm

Shame that the NHC ignores the GOES16 ADT.
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#354 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:16 pm

The GFS intensifies this through the next 40 hours.
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#355 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:17 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Shame that the NHC ignores the GOES16 ADT.


It can still make a run for it. But this is clearly more than a cat 3 now.
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#356 Postby 1900hurricane » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:19 pm

Kingarabian wrote:The GFS intensifies this through the next 40 hours.

It and GOES-15 ADT 8.2.1 are running pretty close together.

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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#357 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:57 pm

Goes 16 ADT

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.2.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 16 JUL 2017 Time : 041537 UTC
Lat : 11:36:14 N Lon : 125:30:37 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
6.3 / 947.3mb/122.2kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
6.3 6.7 6.7


Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 15 km

Center Temp : +10.1C Cloud Region Temp : -71.8C

Scene Type : EYE
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#358 Postby wxmann_91 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:38 am

Kingarabian wrote:Shame that the NHC ignores the GOES16 ADT.

There's a reason why they use the "preliminary and non-operational" disclaimer everywhere... they're not supposed to use the data yet to make any judgment calls until testing and calibration is completed in November.
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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#359 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:25 am

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Re: EPAC: FERNANDA - Hurricane

#360 Postby Sciencerocks » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:39 am

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