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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#221 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:02 pm

blp wrote:12Z Ukmet. Big shift SW from 00z now over Cuba. It would be much stronger if not for land interaction. I think the ridge will keep this one from recurve.

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Windshield wiper effect...I would guess that if 92L is stronger when it approaches Puerto Rico then it may go more poleward. I would expect the models to shift back north and south some until it locks in on a medium. My current best guess on track would be Southern tip of FL. Strength on the other hand is anyone's guess.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#222 Postby Bocadude85 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:13 pm

For what it's worth the 18Z NAM is stronger and a little farther south.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#223 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:29 pm

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18z GFS INITIALIZED
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#224 Postby Blown Away » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:32 pm

Bocadude85 wrote:For what it's worth the 18Z NAM is stronger and a little farther south.


Can you post a link. Thanks...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#225 Postby Bocadude85 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:37 pm

Blown Away wrote:
Bocadude85 wrote:For what it's worth the 18Z NAM is stronger and a little farther south.


Can you post a link. Thanks...


Here you go
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=nam&region=watl&pkg=z850_vort&runtime=2017081618&fh=84&xpos=0&ypos=0
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#226 Postby Bocadude85 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:54 pm

18Z GFS through 84hrs is a touch farther north and slightly stronger.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#227 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:00 pm

18z GFS better pull up or it's going to crash and burn into Cuba.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#228 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:02 pm

Here's why 92L can't gain any latitude...Getting squashed!!!

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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#229 Postby Bocadude85 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:04 pm

SouthFLTropics wrote:18z GFS better pull up or it's going to crash and burn into Cuba.


Look at the ridge that the GFS is forecasting..no way this misses Cuba
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#230 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:06 pm

At this rate it may dive through the Windward Passage and go below Cuba.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#231 Postby Bocadude85 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:09 pm

If 92L ends up farther north like the Euro is showing then conditions look pretty good in the Bahamas according to the 18z GFS....
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#232 Postby Blown Away » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:09 pm

18z GFS says nada for 92L and future 93L and 91L barely makes it maybe to TD/TS just before CA... So much for things heating up... :spam:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#233 Postby Bocadude85 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:11 pm

Blown Away wrote:18z GFS says nada for 92L and future 93L and 91L barely makes it maybe to TD/TS just before CA... So much for things heating up... :spam:


Yea the GFS didn't show any development with Gert either.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#234 Postby AutoPenalti » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:11 pm

SouthFLTropics wrote:At this rate it may dive through the Windward Passage and go below Cuba.

Wow that ridge :eek:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#235 Postby Emmett_Brown » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:14 pm

36 hours before Gert was a hurricane, GFS showed an open wave, so hard to say what intensity 92L will be going by the GFS. The interesting thing about this GFS run is the strength of the ridge... stronger than both the 12z CMC and Euro ridges.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#236 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:16 pm

I don't know what to make of this new GFS. It's hard to have much faith in it or give it much weight. Looking 144 hours it looks like 92L has almost stalled over eastern Cuba and is getting ready to turn North.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#237 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:24 pm

GFS shows no love for 92L or 93L...Either conditions are really that extremely hostile or this new GFS is bunk. Based on our experience with Gert I'm leaning toward :Can: with the GFS. I can't imagine conditions being this bad in mid August.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#238 Postby Hurricaneman » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:26 pm

SouthFLTropics wrote:GFS shows no love for 92L or 93L...Either conditions are really that extremely hostile or this new GFS is bunk. Based on our experience with Gert I'm leaning toward :Can: with the GFS. I can't imagine conditions being this bad in mid August.

It's not the conditions that kill this, it's Hispaniola and Cuba
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#239 Postby northjaxpro » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:27 pm

I will say this. Do not put your complete faith in the GFS. Proceed with needed caution hugging that model in particular!
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#240 Postby AutoPenalti » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:33 pm

At this point I'm leaning towards what's in front of me, GFS has had MAJOR issues recently. I'm not sure what's going on with the upgrades but this is just a completely disturbing trend of busts.
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