ATL: HERMINE - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9041 Postby terstorm1012 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:34 am

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Kazmit_ wrote:I hope everyone's okay down there, this storm is worrying me. The latest NHC track basically shows Hermine ramming Georgia, SC, NC, and then curving in towards the Northeastern states. I really don't want this to be a Sandy repeat.


Not a negative tilt this time but one really strong Rex Block will keep this from moving back out to sea for some time. I think this will be much worse for the Jersey Shore than people might think. I'm glad the "Sandy" rule is in effect---whether Hermine gets all weird and hybrid or not, tropical watches and warnings will be issued. http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/178/ (link to Rex Block definition)


We just finished lifting our house 11 feet in the air from Sandy. The towns are packed with tourists and I'm floored they haven't even issued voluntary Evacs yet. Since Sandy, the flooding is crazy and some areas still don't have dunes. My gut is telling me this isn't going to end well.


Did those people in Margate lose their fight to stop dunes from being built? I hope they did. That was a ridiculous court battle.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9042 Postby JWWS » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:36 am

New to the forum. What's the consensus projection for inland Northern NJ?
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9043 Postby SouthFLTropics » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:42 am

Any word on damage or what the surge height was in and around Crystal River? I have relatives that have a home on the water there and haven't heard any news from them.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9044 Postby chris_fit » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:44 am

Wow look at the tail end of Hermine - Still stretches all the way into the Bay of Campeche - unbelievable.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9045 Postby Steve » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:45 am

LMAO on the GFS run from 00z: Coast Running then loop over the Chesapeake Bay, lift up to Long Island and stall, out to sea and then a reverse loop all the way back to the Canadian Maritimes. No way. Even at Sub Cat-1, that's all time.

Crazy Canadian much more GFS like than the GFS which is more CMC like - just goes up the coast and out, loops around back to NJ and then sort of just rains out and gets absorbed into the flow

Looks like it's going to be a rainy and squally weekend across the seaboard.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9046 Postby LarryWx » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:50 am

mpic wrote:Would like some current updates from anyone in or near Augusta from those on the ground if possible


I'm not there but I don't think conditions are too bad there. Getting beneficial rains there and I'm pretty sure no flooding.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9047 Postby Nimbus » Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:54 am

wxman57 wrote:I think Hermine is going to stall about 120-150 miles offshore Maryland/Delaware Sun-Tue. It may well regain hurricane strength Sunday and maintain hurricane strength through Monday before finally beginning the transition to ET. As long as it remains offshore, I expect coastal locations from NY to MD will see steady 25-35 mph northerly winds but occasionally those winds will be up in the 40-45 mph range with higher gusts. Low-end TS winds possible for 48-60 hours before the center starts moving out to sea on Wednesday. Not a nice Labor Day weekend there.

Oh, and tides 4-7 feet above normal will cause tremendous beach erosion.


This storm has just been full of surprises..
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9048 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:06 am

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wxman57 wrote:I think Hermine is going to stall about 120-150 miles offshore Maryland/Delaware Sun-Tue. It may well regain hurricane strength Sunday and maintain hurricane strength through Monday before finally beginning the transition to ET. As long as it remains offshore, I expect coastal locations from NY to MD will see steady 25-35 mph northerly winds but occasionally those winds will be up in the 40-45 mph range with higher gusts. Low-end TS winds possible for 48-60 hours before the center starts moving out to sea on Wednesday. Not a nice Labor Day weekend there.

Oh, and tides 4-7 feet above normal will cause tremendous beach erosion.


This storm has just been full of surprises..


Another reasonable possibility is that Hermine could go ET this weekend, then undo the transition and go back to tropical next week over the Gulf Stream...
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9050 Postby SouthFLTropics » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:28 am

It has probably already been said by others. In my 13 years of being here at S2K I can't recall a storm that has kept us all guessing and intrigued as 99L/TD9/Hermine has been. I hope all are staying safe in its path. She truly has been an experience to track. Despite all of our technological advances we are still shown that when it comes to cyclogenesis we still have a long ways to go. Once it found the sweet spot it took off. Just goes to show how fast things can change in the tropics.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9051 Postby Michele B » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:40 am

chris_fit wrote:Wow look at the tail end of Hermine - Still stretches all the way into the Bay of Campeche - unbelievable.


Northern end of Port Charlotte here, and rains and HEAVY squalls started about an hour and a half ago, and it is still raining. We had one vicious squall line at the very beginning of this event, where everything blew ferociously, and I thought something might come through a window or something!

But then it calmed down some, had one giant thunder-clap and one lightning flash, but none of that since. It is still raining now....with less intensity with each passing minute. This may be the "last hurrah" in our neck of the woods. I certainly hope so!

Tampa, I'd bet you experienced this same squall line in the early morning hours just before dawn.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9052 Postby SeGaBob » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:40 am

Coming down pretty good right now.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9053 Postby syfr » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:47 am

We were evacuated off Ocracoke Island after a mandatory non resident order was given. Getting home at 3 this AM is better than caught in heavy rain downeast .

First rain from Hermine is starting here at home SE of Raleigh abt 20 miles.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Advisories

#9054 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:57 am

TROPICAL STORM HERMINE DISCUSSION NUMBER 21
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL092016
1100 AM EDT FRI SEP 02 2016

Hermine is moving over southeastern Georgia and has weakened
steadily since landfall. Convective tops have warmed, but several
land stations have shown sustained winds near tropical storm force
near the center with some gusts close to 50 kt. Stronger winds are
also found over the Atlantic coastal waters, with buoy 41008
reporting winds around 40 kt in the last hour. Based on this, the
initial intensity is set to 45 kt for this advisory. The central
pressure, based on surface data, is about 989 mb. While the center
of Hermine will remain over land for the next 24 hours or so, I
don't expect the winds over water to decrease much, so the NHC
forecast shows no change during that time. Strengthening through a
combination of diabatic and baroclinic processes is shown after the
system moves offshore. The GFS, ECMWF, and UKMET all show Hermine
interacting with a potent upper-level shortwave trough in 2-3 days,
and the system could re-strengthen to near hurricane force at that
time. Slow weakening is expected later in the period, but Hermine
is expected to remain a dangerous cyclone through 5 days. The NHC
intensity forecast is based largely on global model guidance, and is
a bit higher than the previous one.

The initial motion estimate is 040/16. Hermine should continue
moving northeastward for the next 36 to 48 hours ahead of an
approaching mid-latitude trough. After that time, the cyclone
should turn northward and nearly stall out as it interacts with the
upper-level shortwave off the mid-Atlantic coast. A slow
northeastward motion is shown at days 4 and 5, but there is a fair
bit of model spread late in the period and confidence in the details
of the track forecast at those times remains low.

Note that the NHC forecast shows Hermine as a post-tropical cyclone
in about 48 hours, but model fields do not show it undergoing a
full extratropical transition, as it instead appears to acquire a
warm seclusion structure. There is a possibility that the system
could regain some tropical characteristics in 4-5 days, but this
remains uncertain.

Based on the latest forecast, tropical storm watches and warnings
have been expanded northward along the U.S. mid-Atlantic coast.

KEY MESSAGE:

1. Hermine is expected to become a post-tropical cyclone while
still producing hazardous winds and storm surge over land. NWS
policy allows NHC to write advisories on and issue tropical storm
watches and warnings for post-tropical cyclones, when the system
continues to pose a significant threat to life and property. NHC and
the NWS Eastern Region have decided that this option will be invoked
for Hermine. After Hermine becomes a post-tropical cyclone, NHC
will continue to issue its full suite of advisory and warning
products for as long as the system remains a significant threat to
land.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 02/1500Z 31.9N 82.0W 45 KT 50 MPH...INLAND
12H 03/0000Z 33.5N 79.7W 45 KT 50 MPH...INLAND
24H 03/1200Z 35.4N 76.3W 45 KT 50 MPH...INLAND
36H 04/0000Z 36.7N 73.9W 55 KT 65 MPH...OVER WATER
48H 04/1200Z 37.5N 72.6W 55 KT 65 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
72H 05/1200Z 38.1N 72.6W 65 KT 75 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
96H 06/1200Z 38.8N 71.9W 60 KT 70 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
120H 07/1200Z 39.3N 71.5W 50 KT 60 MPH...POST-TROPICAL

$$
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9055 Postby Okibeach » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:58 am

Been raining non stop here since sunrise and looking at radar, doesn't look like its going to end until Hermine passes us. Forecast was only occasional rain until late this afternoon, not the deluge we've been experiencing. No wind yet, but with all this moisture, its going to make for a lot of downed trees later.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9056 Postby AdamFirst » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:07 am

Phone just buzzed here in Bayonne, New Jersey for a Tropical Storm Watch. The one time I'm up north, the storm has to follow me back up 8-)
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9057 Postby SouthFLTropics » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:13 am

SeGaBob wrote:Coming down pretty good right now.


Be safe up there in Statesboro. I have many relatives up there. We come to Brooklet every year for our family reunion.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9058 Postby weathaguyry » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:13 am

AdamFirst wrote:Phone just buzzed here in Bayonne, New Jersey for a Tropical Storm Watch. The one time I'm up north, the storm has to follow me back up 8-)


Yep, mine buzzed too here on Long Island, were under a watch :eek:
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9059 Postby LarryWx » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:19 am

SeGaBob wrote:Coming down pretty good right now.


Bob, the radar has a lot of heavy rain in your area. The center of Hermine looks like it is passing almost due south of you now.
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Re: ATL: HERMINE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#9060 Postby LarryWx » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:22 am

Here in SAV, we just had the strongest gusts I've seen yet. I'm guessing they were in the 50's! Somehow I still have power. About 21K outages in this area. Very little rain now. Total near 4.30".
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