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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1821 Postby wjs3 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:26 pm

Bocadude85 wrote:What is the feature that is about to move over St.Croix? You can see it on San Juan radar.



Just looks like a squall to me. I'm watching the St Croix METARs to see just how nasty it is. Showing 23 gusting to 34, so getting a bit gnarly.

TISX 2800:15 Z 130°23G34KT 7SM BKN010 OVC016 27/25 A2981=

EDIT they added a remark 37 kt wind.

PK WND 07037/2355 WSHFT 2355 RAE05 PRESRR P0000 T02670250=




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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1822 Postby ozonepete » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:28 pm

NDG wrote:
Hammy wrote:Erika back within 20-30kt shear range
http://i.imgur.com/90bwm2m.png


Near 20 knots, not even close to 30 knots of shear.


Correct. You have to look more carefully at that chart. I could see low 20s knots, maybe, but not more than that.
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1823 Postby caneman » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:30 pm

tolakram wrote:
HurriGuy wrote:Wind shear only gets worse the further west it goes. That with the mountain interaction makes me think it is impossible for this storm to survive. It would be an incredible feat if it does.

Or it just starts turning more north to save itself


Why do you say this? Wind shear is not static, it varies hour to hour, day to day.
according to accuweather it's shear near dominican and not the.mountains that he says will do it in. Well see.
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1824 Postby HurriGuy » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:31 pm

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The red arrows represent the cutoff low responsible for the shear over Hispaniola. It can clearly be seen spinning on the water vapor loop

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/flash-wv.html

The ridge can also be seen on the water loop (blue arrows), and you can tell it is not budging causing Erika to remain more on the south side of the cone. If you watch the trough over the Gulf (yellow circle) and the ridge, it is not allowing that cutoff low to move.

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Notice on the latest GFS that the trough is still in an unfavorable location out to Saturday 00z. Thats why I believe the shear will continue to persist over Hispaniola.

The trough is the key. It needs to start backing away so the cutoff low can continue to the west reducing the shear and the ridge can allow Erika to gain some latitude.
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#1825 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:33 pm

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San Juan radar shows what appears to be Erika's LLC passing near or about to clear passing Saint Croix, with a heavy convective feederband on the eastern side of the circulation moving over that island currently.
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1826 Postby robbielyn » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:35 pm

the trough backs away on sunday.
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1827 Postby FireRat » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:36 pm

IMO Tonight will be very important, as we head for the Dmax and may very well see stronger convection fire, possibly allowing those stronger winds aloft mix down closer to the surface, thus providing Erika with a little strengthening boost prior to her interaction with Hispaniola. Lets see what we wake with tomorrow!

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#1828 Postby HurriGuy » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:36 pm

northjaxpro wrote:http://radar.weather.gov/lite/N0Z/JUA_loop.gif


San Juan radar shows what appears to be Erika's LLC passing near or about to clear passing Saint Croix, with a heavy convective feederband on the eastern side of the circulation moving over that island currently.


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That would not make any sense according to what recon is finding.
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#1829 Postby stormlover2013 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:36 pm

If that trough wasn't there that would be bad news for la/Texas
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#1830 Postby ScottNAtlanta » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:38 pm

northjaxpro wrote:http://radar.weather.gov/lite/N0Z/JUA_loop.gif


San Juan radar shows what appears to be Erika's LLC passing near or about to clear passing Saint Croix, with a heavy convective feederband on the eastern side of the circulation moving over that island currently.


That looks like where the LLC was we were looking at earlier
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1831 Postby HurriGuy » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:38 pm

But Erika will be near Hispaniola by Friday. So the shear will continue to persist.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/235640.shtml?5-daynl?large#contents
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1832 Postby robbielyn » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:41 pm

two days late to the rescue. let it stay weak and give some beneficial rains to s florida.
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#1833 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:42 pm

ScottNAtlanta wrote:
northjaxpro wrote:http://radar.weather.gov/lite/N0Z/JUA_loop.gif


San Juan radar shows what appears to be Erika's LLC passing near or about to clear passing Saint Croix, with a heavy convective feederband on the eastern side of the circulation moving over that island currently.


That looks like where the LLC was we were looking at earlier



Well, as far as I know, the radar image is current, at least I thought it was when I posted it.
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1834 Postby HurriGuy » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:43 pm

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If you want to go off radar, here is where the llc would be. Would not make sense for that to be the llc so this further justifies what I though earlier that perhaps that was an eddy of some sort we saw on visible.
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#1835 Postby wxsouth » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:43 pm

Radar plus squirrely looking data from recon suggest a broad sfc center near (or just west) of the aircraft fix. However, there are multiple vort maxes rotating around the broad center (i.e. the feature near St. Croix and the odd wind feature on the northbound leg of the recon. Messy disorganized system. Key to the whole forecast is the interaction with Hispaniola.
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#1836 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:44 pm

The flight level winds were almost 60 knots, suggesting a strong circulation aloft, but the SFMR only supports 40 kt and the pressure is very high.
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1837 Postby Steve H. » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:46 pm

I still don't think she will go over Hispaniola, but ride north along the coast. Everyone keeps focusing on the convection, not the llc.

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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1838 Postby seatrump » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:47 pm

Saint Martin airport has been reporting wind gusts in the 40+ mph range most of the day including one report of 45kts (50mph). Currently they are reporting sustained winds of 30 mph with gusts into the low-mid 40s.

San Juan int'l has a forecast for the overnight period of sustained winds of 40mph with gusts to 56mph. Winds are fairly light there at the moment. Aguadillas aviation forecast is also calling for gusts to 50mph in the early morning hours. So the system is expected to bring some brisk breezes with it. Nothing that should cause much in the way of damage however.

Here in Providenciales it is a beautiful evening with nearly calm winds. The cancelled the Fish Fry this evening but otherwise all is well. My preparations are complete.
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#1839 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:49 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:The flight level winds were almost 60 knots, suggesting a strong circulation aloft, but the SFMR only supports 40 kt and the pressure is very high.


that's interesting. DMAX is going to be a very critical factor tonight. A good convective burst can possibly mix down those strongers winds, which could help the storm maintain with regards to the upcoming battle with Hispaniola in the next 24 hours.
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#1840 Postby Weatherboy1 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:51 pm

My best semi educated guess is that Erika misses Hispanola to the north, and that the cut off low will not impart as much shear on her. This is not a brutal, TUTT-like shear feature, after all. Recent trends are not hugely impressive but come tomorrow night, I think it's going to be a whole new ballgame. We shall see.

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