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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#121 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:56 pm

Siker wrote:That trough is so weak at 168 hours.



Doesn't have to be an overly strong trough to turn a storm. Just enough to displace the ridge further to the east or at the very least erode its western edge. With that and sw flow out ahead of trough it has nowhere to go but up and out, unless of course it's deep down in the Caribbean.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#122 Postby N2FSU » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:57 pm

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#123 Postby NCSTORMMAN » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:57 pm

Models are flip floppers I can tell you with certainty that it will either die off or turn out to sea. That has been the forecast for 10 years and we have a shield around the US. Do not put much stock in models they end up being wrong every time.
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#124 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:57 pm

The 12Z ECMWF 240 hours, 500MB chart, with ridge building over the NE United States. I tell you that is one close call, not sure if it would escape if the run went out further.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#125 Postby Riptide » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:03 pm

Blocked. Would turn east and then south (cyclonic loop).
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#126 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:05 pm

Here is another look with the blocking high over New England and the Mid-Atlantic with a tiny little escape route to the ENE, obviously this is 10 days out and a lot will change. Not a shoe-in fish storm for sure:

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#127 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:09 pm

Riptide wrote:Blocked. Would turn east and then south (cyclonic loop).

Similar to Hurricane Jeanne(2004).
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#128 Postby Riptide » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:10 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
Riptide wrote:Blocked. Would turn east and then south (cyclonic loop).

Similar to Hurricane Jeanne(2004).
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Should be an interesting one to track and a robust LLC is likely to develop.
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#129 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:11 pm

Check out the 12Z GEFS (GFS Ensembles) with a clustering of some ensembles showing 98L heading NW into New England - obviously very far out (300 hours) but if you look at the CMC, ECMWF, and GEFS, there are hints of some kind of blocking pattern in the long-range which may not let 98L escape, assuming it actually develops.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#130 Postby cycloneye » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:16 pm

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                    * ATLANTIC     SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST          *
                    * IR SAT DATA AVAILABLE,       OHC AVAILABLE     *
                    *  INVEST      AL982015  08/23/15  18 UTC        *

TIME (HR)          0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96   108   120
V (KT) NO LAND    30    35    40    45    50    59    64    65    67    65    65    65    65
V (KT) LAND       30    35    40    45    50    59    64    65    67    65    65    65    65
V (KT) LGE mod    30    33    37    41    45    54    61    66    68    68    67    68    71
Storm Type      TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP

SHEAR (KT)        14    13    11     7     5     6    11    20    24    25    16    20    21
SHEAR ADJ (KT)    -1     0     1     4     3     0    -2    -2    -4    -4     0    -1    -3
SHEAR DIR         25    25    26     9    16   283   274   267   286   293   303   303   316
SST (C)         27.1  27.1  27.1  27.0  26.8  26.9  27.0  27.5  27.9  28.3  28.5  28.6  28.8
POT. INT. (KT)   128   128   128   127   124   125   126   131   136   142   145   146   150
ADJ. POT. INT.   130   129   129   128   124   123   123   127   130   134   138   138   141
200 MB T (C)   -52.4 -52.6 -53.0 -53.0 -52.7 -53.0 -52.9 -53.3 -53.2 -53.4 -53.4 -53.5 -53.4
TH_E DEV (C)       7     7     7     8     9     9    11    11    12    12    11    11    11
700-500 MB RH     59    61    62    62    59    61    58    58    56    55    55    58    60
MODEL VTX (KT)    12    12    13    14    14    15    14    12    12    10     9     8     6
850 MB ENV VOR   102    97    84    70    51    44    12   -18   -30   -35   -45   -48   -66
200 MB DIV       -18     2    28    17    24     3    26     1    -3    -8     1     7    10
700-850 TADV     -13   -15   -11    -9    -8    -1    -8     1    -6    -3    -6    -5    -6
LAND (KM)       1917  1788  1670  1572  1489  1357  1308  1162  1037   834   593   370   287
LAT (DEG N)     13.7  14.0  14.3  14.7  15.1  15.9  16.8  17.6  18.4  18.9  19.5  20.2  21.0
LONG(DEG W)     36.7  38.4  40.1  41.9  43.6  46.9  50.0  52.8  55.4  57.8  60.2  62.8  65.3
STM SPEED (KT)    17    17    17    17    17    16    15    13    12    12    12    12    13
HEAT CONTENT       9     6     4     7     6    16    15    17    25    50    41    51    54

  FORECAST TRACK FROM BAMM      INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):275/ 18      CX,CY: -17/  2
  T-12 MAX WIND:  25            PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB):  522  (MEAN=624)
  GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV.  50-200 KM RAD:   9.2 (MEAN=14.5)
  % GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C    50-200 KM RAD:  93.0 (MEAN=65.0)

                        INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
                         6   12   18   24   36   48   60   72   84   96  108  120
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   8.   9.  11.  12.  12.  13.  14.
  SST POTENTIAL          1.   1.   2.   3.   6.  10.  15.  19.  22.  24.  26.  27.
  VERTICAL SHEAR MAG     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   7.   7.   4.   1.   0.  -1.  -2.
  VERTICAL SHEAR ADJ     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   2.   2.   1.   1.
  VERTICAL SHEAR DIR     0.   1.   2.   3.   3.   2.   1.   1.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.
  PERSISTENCE            1.   1.   2.   2.   2.   2.   2.   1.   1.   0.   0.   0.
  200/250 MB TEMP.       0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   0.   1.
  THETA_E EXCESS         0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -1.  -1.  -1.
  700-500 MB RH          0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.
  MODEL VTX TENDENCY     0.   0.   1.   1.   2.   1.  -1.  -2.  -4.  -5.  -6.  -8.
  850 MB ENV VORTICITY   0.   1.   1.   1.   2.   2.   1.   1.   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.
  200 MB DIVERGENCE      0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -1.  -1.
  850-700 T ADVEC        0.   0.   0.   1.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   2.
  ZONAL STORM MOTION     0.   0.   1.   1.   2.   3.   3.   4.   4.   5.   6.   6.
  STEERING LEVEL PRES    0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   2.   1.   1.   1.
  DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  GOES PREDICTORS        1.   2.   3.   3.   4.   3.   3.   2.   1.   1.   1.   1.
  OCEAN HEAT CONTENT     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL CHANGE           5.  10.  15.  20.  29.  34.  35.  37.  35.  35.  35.  35.

   ** 2013 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL982015 INVEST     08/23/15  18 UTC **
           ( 30 KT OR MORE MAX WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24 HR)
 
 12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT):   5.0 Range:-49.5 to  33.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.7/  1.9
 850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) :  10.4 Range: 28.8 to   2.9 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.7/  0.8
 STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP :   9.2 Range: 37.5 to   2.9 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.8/  1.1
 850-700 MB REL HUM (%):  66.4 Range: 43.2 to  93.5 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.5/  0.6
 POT = MPI-VMAX (KT)   :  97.8 Range: 28.4 to 139.1 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.6/  0.4
 Heat content (KJ/cm2) :   6.4 Range:  0.0 to 155.1 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.0/  0.0
 D200 (10**7s-1)       :  10.6 Range:-23.1 to 181.5 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.2/  0.1
 % area w/pixels <-30 C:  84.0 Range: 15.3 to 100.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.8/  0.2
 
 Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold=    27% is   2.3 times the sample mean(11.9%)
 Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold=    14% is   1.8 times the sample mean( 7.6%)
 Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold=     7% is   1.6 times the sample mean( 4.6%)
 Prob of RI for 40 kt RI threshold=     1% is   0.3 times the sample mean( 3.0%)

   ##         ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL982015 INVEST     08/23/15  18 UTC         ##
   ## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=4 NFAIL=3                          ##
   ## AHI=  0   (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##

** PROBLTY OF AT LEAST 1 SCNDRY EYEWL FORMTN EVENT AL982015 INVEST     08/23/2015  18 UTC **
TIME(HR)   0-12  12-24(0-24)  24-36(0-36)  36-48(0-48)
CLIMO(%)     0      0(  0)       0(  0)       0(  0)     <-- PROB BASED ON INTENSITY ONLY
PROB(%)      0      0(  0)       0(  0)       0(  0)     PC4 UNAVAIL...MODEL SKILL DEGRADED
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#131 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:17 pm

Another look at the 500mb pattern on the Ruro 240hrs. out. Not much of a way to escape out to sea, where would it go?

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#132 Postby SFLcane » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:22 pm

18z models for 98L..

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#133 Postby Siker » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:26 pm

Comparing the 12z vs 00z Euro at the same hour on WxBell:

1. Ridging over the US is much stronger / extensive on the 12z.

2. The trough over the Great Lakes is much slower to arrive on the 12z GFS. In fact, it's a cutoff low that forms underneath the massive ridge that helps nudge 98L eastward.

3. The trough over SE Canada is less amplified on the 12z.

4. The axis of the trough over SE Canada stays further west, causing the Bermuda high to not build northward like the 00z and allowing the storm to begin moving east.
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#134 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:39 pm

Hammy wrote:Roughly when does the ukmet run come out?


12Z UKMET is ramping this up north of Hispaniola, 132 hours:
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Coming into this image, a little E of the SE Bahamas at 144 hours. The UKMET not showing any deep troughs along the Eastern Seaboard in this run, pretty zonal flow.

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#135 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:15 pm

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#136 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:18 pm

Another view of the 12Z GFS which has 98L and a lot of tropical moisture over South Florida / Keys at 174 hours with the low over the FL Keys. This would be welcome for us considering we are in the middle of a drought in SE Florida:

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#137 Postby Blown Away » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:49 pm

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Future Erika is booking across the pond...
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#138 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:51 pm

Another look at the 18z Model Guidance. My guess why one of the reasons the 12z GFS might not develop 98L is it slams it right smack into the middle of Hispaniola.

18z Track Guidance :darrow:

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18z Intensity Guidance :darrow:

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#139 Postby Alyono » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:06 pm

it doesn't intensify this because of strong low level easterlies and strong upper level westerlies
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#140 Postby Blown Away » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:12 pm

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12z GFS does travel over the big islands.
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