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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#141 Postby chaser1 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:03 am

blp wrote:I think for those in Florida the next 24 hours will be interesting. The NHC has the system going no further than 78.3W followed by a NNE movement. The models that are closest to Florida have the system going further west than the NHC. The CMC has it reaching past 80W. The Euro has it around 79.8. The GFDL 79.9 followed by reaching past 80 west of Jamaica. Right now it is moving SW at 5 let's see how far west it gets.


I agree, however I believe an even bigger factor will be how long TD 18 remains quasi-stationary. Of greater concern to me is the following. In reading this morning's initial cyclone discussion, a weak developing mid to upper level trough was referenced to develop over (or near Cuba). Thus a NNE motion is anticipated to impart the forming storm. Meanwhile, I just took a look at the NAM and RUC upper level winds forecast. The RUC model does show a distinct trough however it is at 300mb and above. At the 500mb level, winds over Cuba remain out of the east. The NAM appeared similar and furthermore the 500mb synoptics would appear that ridging continues to build with time and would indicate a small anticylcone just north of Puerto Rico and a larger mid level high just of the S. Carolina coast at 60 hr's. Meanwhile, at that time I just don't see any mid level flow that would cause any eastward component - at least not at that time.

The big concern is that TD 18 remains stationary through at least mid-day tomorrow (Tue.). In part this might indicate the lessor influence of the upper level trough over Cuba and the departing W. Atlantic trough. Of greatest concern though is that right now this sprawling system is pulling in the ITCZ from the Pacific and has a well established mid level circulation. If it can remain stationary long enough for the system to really become vertically stacked and better establish its upper anticyclone over itself, than I believe its greater influence in warming the atmosphere will further negate (and bend back) the upper level winds and then would anticipate a slow northward crawl, perhaps bending NNW between 60-84 hours from now, and perhaps then veer back to the north and then NNE ahead of whatever deepening short wave might be downstream. Conversely, the faster that an initial motion might be established, then of course the less vertically stacked the system might be and then we have a disjointed lower level trying to keep up with the mid to upper levels, impacted by the weakness over Cuba.
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#142 Postby Caribwxgirl » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:11 am

Chaser1 I love your posts but the blue is killing my eyes.
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#143 Postby chaser1 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:15 am

Caribwxgirl wrote:Chaser1 I love your posts but the blue is killing my eyes.


:oops: OOPS, sorry.....will tone it down some; better?
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#144 Postby Caribwxgirl » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:40 am

chaser1 wrote:
Caribwxgirl wrote:Chaser1 I love your posts but the blue is killing my eyes.


:oops: OOPS, sorry.....will tone it down some; better?


Yes much better thanks.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#145 Postby sfwx » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:54 am

wxman57 wrote:The GFS has been the winner all season long, though being the lone model with the correct track a number of times. Let's see if it's right again in keeping the storm farther east. I wouldn't rule out a NW hook into the Mid Atlantic Coast this weekend, as per the Euro, though. The one good thing for Florida is that cooler, drier air is flowing across the state in the wake of the cold front. A developing storm southeast of Florida should keep the NNE-NE flow across Florida, and keep the front to the south and east of Florida.


If it does stay out over 300 miles from Florida, it could make for beautiful weather here as it draws in the moisture and keeps us dry. Also, Florida will be on the "left" side of the storm as opposed to being on the "right" side of Issac. With that being said, the folks in Jamaica, Cuba, and the Bahamas may be in for a rough ride.

(All of this is my amatuer opinion. )

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ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Models

#146 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:55 am

The media machine will be all over this storm if it makes a direct hit, that is for sure! This is potentially a nightmare for the NWS as a whole, as the hybrid charcteristics create operational issues and potential for mixed messages. Some may ask what is it - a blizzard? snowstorm? hurricane? Nor'easter?
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#147 Postby Caribwxgirl » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:04 pm

Do you guys think this will be classified as a storm by the time recon gets there? It certainly looks impressive on satellite. Overall though whether storm or TD I'm very nervous.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#148 Postby SouthDadeFish » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:05 pm

A timely TRMM pass shows the storm is quickly becoming better organized. Feeder bands are building on the SE side and the dreaded ring appears to be forming around the center:

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In this 37 GHz color image, the cyan colors are warm rain, the whites are deeper convection, and the pinks indicate very deep convection (ice).
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#149 Postby SouthDadeFish » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:08 pm

I'm very interested to see what recon finds. Center appears to be roughly at 13.6 N 78W, which matches very well with the above TRMM pass. This combined with the SHIPS probabilities, RI appears to be a very good bet in my opinion. (This is not an official forecast)

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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#150 Postby Caribwxgirl » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:11 pm

SouthDadeFish wrote:I'm very interested to see what recon finds. Center appears to be roughly at 13.6 N 78W, which matches very well with the above TRMM pass. This combined with the SHIPS probabilities, RI appears to be a very good bet in my opinion. (This is not an official forecast)

http://imageshack.us/a/img11/3761/rgb0lalol.jpg[


With that said do you think recon will find its a storm by the time they get to it?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#151 Postby SouthDadeFish » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:15 pm

Caribwxgirl wrote:
SouthDadeFish wrote:I'm very interested to see what recon finds. Center appears to be roughly at 13.6 N 78W, which matches very well with the above TRMM pass. This combined with the SHIPS probabilities, RI appears to be a very good bet in my opinion. (This is not an official forecast)

http://imageshack.us/a/img11/3761/rgb0lalol.jpg[


With that said do you think recon will find its a storm by the time they get to it?


Just my opinion, but probably only a minimal TS. These things take a little time to develop a tight inner core, but once that develops they can take off. I'm more interested in any possible pressure falls while recon is in there. NHC has it listed at 1003mb, so anything 1000mb or below would be impressive considering what it looked like last night.
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#152 Postby Caribwxgirl » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:36 pm

Thanks for your response Southdadefish.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#153 Postby cycloneye » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:43 pm

BULLETIN
TROPICAL DEPRESSION EIGHTEEN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 1A
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL182012
200 PM EDT MON OCT 22 2012

...AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE EN ROUTE TO INVESTIGATE THE
DEPRESSION...


SUMMARY OF 200 PM EDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...13.5N 78.5W
ABOUT 325 MI...525 KM SSW OF KINGSTON JAMAICA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...30 MPH...45 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...STATIONARY
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1003 MB...29.62 INCHES
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#154 Postby SouthDadeFish » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:46 pm

ASCAT shows the center remains broad and slightly elongated:

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#155 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:58 pm

I think Recon will find a surprisingly low pressure for its intensity, and that will remain the situation the whole life.
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#156 Postby adam0983 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:25 pm

Does anyone think that South Florida will be in the cone by 5pm?
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#157 Postby SouthDadeFish » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:28 pm

adam0983 wrote:Does anyone think that South Florida will be in the cone by 5pm?


This question probably belongs in the discussion thread, but I will give my own opinion: looking off the models, I don't see any reason to change the 0-72 hour forecast positions all that much. The 120 hour forecast position may be nudged slightly west. So South Florida will most likely not be in the cone at 5pm (just my opinion).
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#158 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:36 pm

adam0983 wrote:Does anyone think that South Florida will be in the cone by 5pm?


someone probably does but i dont, ha..going to get very breezy across florida though...we will be in the squeeze play for several days
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#159 Postby adam0983 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:41 pm

I am hoping that the euro run today and the gfs at 5pm will give us a better idea what Tropical depression 18 will do.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Depression 18 - Discussion

#160 Postby sunnyday » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:42 pm

Can you explain what you mean by So Fla being in the "squeeze play" for several days? Thank you for your response. 8-) 8-)
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