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#221 Postby supercane » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:11 am

WTPQ20 RJTD 140600
RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TY 1106 MA-ON (1106)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 140600UTC 20.1N 146.2E FAIR
MOVE W 11KT
PRES 960HPA
MXWD 075KT
GUST 105KT
50KT 90NM
30KT 350NM EAST 250NM WEST
FORECAST
24HF 150600UTC 21.3N 141.5E 75NM 70%
MOVE WNW 11KT
PRES 935HPA
MXWD 085KT
GUST 120KT
48HF 160600UTC 22.3N 136.8E 140NM 70%
MOVE W 11KT
PRES 915HPA
MXWD 100KT
GUST 140KT
72HF 170600UTC 24.0N 133.4E 160NM 70%
MOVE WNW 09KT
PRES 910HPA
MXWD 105KT
GUST 150KT =
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TPPN11 PGTW 140602
A. TYPHOON 08W (MAON)
B. 14/0532Z
C. 20.1N
D. 146.3E
E. THREE/MTSAT
F. T5.0/5.0/D2.0/24HRS STT: S0.0/06HRS
G. IR/EIR/VIS/MSI
H. REMARKS: 15A/PBO TIGHTLY CURVED BAND/BANDING EYE/ANMTN. 1.1
WRAP ON LOG10 SPIRAL W/BANDING FEAT. YIELDS 5.0 DT. PT AGREES.
MET YIELDS A 4.5. DBO DT.
I. ADDITIONAL POSITIONS: NONE
HATHAWAY
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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#222 Postby euro6208 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:15 am

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Ma-on in 2004 was a category 5 supertyphoon which peaked at 140 knots sustained 1 min winds and hit japan in a devastating blow near tokyo.
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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#223 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:22 am

euro6208 wrote:Ma-on in 2004 was a category 5 supertyphoon which peaked at 140 knots sustained 1 min winds and hit japan in a devastating blow near tokyo.


As stated just a couple of responses ago it wasn't that bad, would hardly call it devastating blow when compared to Tokage which came a week later.

ECMWF 00z has west shifted slightly bringing Ma-on much closer to Ryuku islands and landfalling on west coast of Kyushu.

Storming - who are "the weather people?" If latest ECMWF is anything to go by you still need to keep close eye on Ma-on.
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#224 Postby oaba09 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:39 am

120 hour ECMWF forecast:

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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#225 Postby StormingB81 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:43 am

Typhoon Hunter wrote:
euro6208 wrote:Ma-on in 2004 was a category 5 supertyphoon which peaked at 140 knots sustained 1 min winds and hit japan in a devastating blow near tokyo.


As stated just a couple of responses ago it wasn't that bad, would hardly call it devastating blow when compared to Tokage which came a week later.

ECMWF 00z has west shifted slightly bringing Ma-on much closer to Ryuku islands and landfalling on west coast of Kyushu.

Storming - who are "the weather people?" If latest ECMWF is anything to go by you still need to keep close eye on Ma-on.


The Stars and Striped guy said thats what the Kadena Weather people said
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#226 Postby StormingB81 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:45 am

I just saw it...alot different from earlier...
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#227 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:08 am

Wow, nice vis shot. This storm already blowing up to be a monster, I think there in Okinawa you should really get ready for this one, same with Kyushu is going to get hit fairly hard.

Lots of time to vary though.
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#228 Postby phwxenthusiast » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:20 am

great great shot here both by 92W and Ma-On... only time will tell if one will influence the other..

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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#229 Postby Infdidoll » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:40 am

That is a good vis shot....but it's from Ma-On 2004.

I don't know if anyone has answers, but how are these runs computed? Just wondering how they compute runs predicting interaction with other systems? Is this human-driven or all computations? 92W is coming along nicely, TCFA issued on it, and I think I was hearing that if it remained in the arena, it could cause a SW dip in Ma-On's track. Wondering if that's the cause for the slight change in the model runs?

Just when we think we're all clear... :D I'm sure we'll be in the clear again...Storms like to mess with our minds until they hit the force field that surrounds us.
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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#230 Postby KWT » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:54 am

Typhoon Hunter wrote:ECMWF 00z has west shifted slightly bringing Ma-on much closer to Ryuku islands and landfalling on west coast of Kyushu.

Storming - who are "the weather people?" If latest ECMWF is anything to go by you still need to keep close eye on Ma-on.


Yep a little further west, maybe 92W will actually develop into a weak system afterall...

Ma-On looks good tonight, probably 100-105kts now looking at the sat presentation, seems to still be having some problems with keeping a solid eyewall...
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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#231 Postby euro6208 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:59 am

I would place Ma-On's intensity at 105 knots 1 min sustained winds and will intensify further.Ma-on's eye is in the same latitute as guam so if this had hit guam, we will be in serious trouble.

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more rain and srong winds for guam and the cnmi.

it makes me sick that ma-on,although affecting us with heavy rains and strong winds will be a strong and possibly devasting typhoon down the road for japan and the neighboring islands.
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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#232 Postby StormingB81 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:03 am

Infdidoll wrote:That is a good vis shot....but it's from Ma-On 2004.

I don't know if anyone has answers, but how are these runs computed? Just wondering how they compute runs predicting interaction with other systems? Is this human-driven or all computations? 92W is coming along nicely, TCFA issued on it, and I think I was hearing that if it remained in the arena, it could cause a SW dip in Ma-On's track. Wondering if that's the cause for the slight change in the model runs?

Just when we think we're all clear... :D I'm sure we'll be in the clear again...Storms like to mess with our minds until they hit the force field that surrounds us.



Comming from someone who wanted to place a bet earlier...lol
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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#233 Postby Infdidoll » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:07 am

StormingB81 wrote:
Infdidoll wrote:That is a good vis shot....but it's from Ma-On 2004.

I don't know if anyone has answers, but how are these runs computed? Just wondering how they compute runs predicting interaction with other systems? Is this human-driven or all computations? 92W is coming along nicely, TCFA issued on it, and I think I was hearing that if it remained in the arena, it could cause a SW dip in Ma-On's track. Wondering if that's the cause for the slight change in the model runs?

Just when we think we're all clear... :D I'm sure we'll be in the clear again...Storms like to mess with our minds until they hit the force field that surrounds us.



Comming from someone who wanted to place a bet earlier...lol


Oh, I would've bet him because he said it wouldn't come near us and would go to Luzon/Taiwan. That would have been a sure winner at this point. I could have had a nice steak dinner, darn it. :D

I just went back and saw some comments from supercane (Thank you!) about the interaction situation. I almost didn't see them because they got lost in some JTWC text, but the opinions were interesting to read. Love reading the insights of experienced storm trackers.
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#234 Postby KWT » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:09 am

Its a very big system as well, that inflow is very large it has to be said!

Steady strengthening should continue as long as it can keep working out the dry air.
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#235 Postby oaba09 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:13 am

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WTPN31 PGTW 140900
MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. TYPHOON 08W (MA-ON) WARNING NR 012
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
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WARNING POSITION:
140600Z --- NEAR 20.1N 146.2E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 270 DEGREES AT 08 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 025 NM
POSITION BASED ON EYE FIXED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 090 KT, GUSTS 110 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
150 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
REPEAT POSIT: 20.1N 146.2E
---
FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
141800Z --- 20.5N 143.9E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 100 KT, GUSTS 125 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
130 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
150 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 280 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
24 HRS, VALID AT:
150600Z --- 20.9N 141.7E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 110 KT, GUSTS 135 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 155 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
155 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 280 DEG/ 10 KTS
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36 HRS, VALID AT:
151800Z --- 21.3N 139.7E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 120 KT, GUSTS 145 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 155 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
135 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
155 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 290 DEG/ 10 KTS
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EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
160600Z --- 22.0N 137.7E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 130 KT, GUSTS 160 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 160 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
160 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 300 DEG/ 08 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
170600Z --- 23.6N 134.8E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 135 KT, GUSTS 165 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
075 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 160 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
140 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
160 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 330 DEG/ 08 KTS
---
LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 250 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 350 NM ON DAY 5... AND FOR INTENSITY
NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY.
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96 HRS, VALID AT:
180600Z --- 26.5N 133.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 120 KT, GUSTS 145 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 340 DEG/ 08 KTS
---
120 HRS, VALID AT:
190600Z --- 29.4N 131.9E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 100 KT, GUSTS 125 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
REMARKS:
140900Z POSITION NEAR 20.2N 145.6E.
TYPHOON (TY) 08W, MA-ON, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 385 NM SOUTHEAST
OF IWO TO, JAPAN, HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 08 KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX
HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL SATELLITE IMAGERY AND A 140328Z AMSRE
MICROWAVE IMAGE DEPICT A RAGGED EYE WITH SPIRAL BANDING WRAPPING
INTO THE LLCC FROM ALL QUADRANTS. THERE IS HIGH CONFIDENCE IN THE
CURRENT POSITION BASED ON THE 14/0532Z PGTW FIX AND THE
AFOREMENTIONED AMSRE IMAGE SHOWING A WELL-DEFINED MICROWAVE EYE. THE
CURRENT INTENSITY IS BASED ON DVORAK ESTIMATES FROM PGTW AND KNES OF
90 KNOTS. UPPER LEVEL ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT TY 08W IS LOCATED
BENEATH A MESOSCALE ANTICYCLONE IN A REGION OF STRONG DIFFLUENCE
ALOFT AND LOW (<15 KNOTS) VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. ANIMATED WATER VAPOR
IMAGERY REVEALS THAT THE MESOSCALE ANTICYCLONE IS PROVIDING THE
SYSTEM WITH EXCELLENT RADIAL OUTFLOW, WHICH IS BEING ENHANCED BY
TROPICAL UPPER-TROPOSPHERIC TROUGH (TUTT) CELLS LOCATED TO THE EAST-
SOUTHEAST AND WEST-NORTHWEST OF THE SYSTEM. TY 08W IS CURRENTLY
TRACKING ALONG THE SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF A DEEP-LAYERED SUBTROPICAL
RIDGE ANCHORED EAST OF JAPAN. THE SYSTEM IS FORECAST TO CONTINUE
TRACKING GENERALLY WESTWARD THROUGH TAU 48 AND INTENSIFY RAPIDLY AS
IT TRACKS OVER FAVORABLE SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES (>30 DEGREES
CELSIUS) AND REMAINS WITHIN A FAVORABLE UPPER LEVEL ENVIRONMENT.
AFTER TAU 48, THE SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO BEING TRACKING INCREASINGLY
POLEWARD AS IT MODIFIES THE STEERING RIDGE, WHICH WILL BEGIN TO
RECEDE TO THE EAST. ALTHOUGH, WIND SHEAR IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE AS
THE SYSTEM CONTINUES TO TRACK POLEWARD, TY 08W IS NOT EXPECTED TO
WEAKEN SIGNIFICANTLY AS IT APPROACHES SOUTHERN KYUSHU. NUMERICAL
MODEL GUIDANCE IS IN GOOD AGREEMENT WITH THE TRACK FORECAST THROUGH
TAU 48, BEFORE NOTABLE DIVERGENCE OCCURS. NOGAPS, GFS, AND ECMWF ARE
INDICATING A SHARPER RE-CURVATURE IN RESPONSE TO AN EARLIER
WEAKENING AND RECEDING OF THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE. GFDN IS ALSO
DEPICTING A SHARP RE-CURVATURE, BUT NOT UNTIL AFTER TAU 96. EGRR
REMAINS THE WESTERN OUTLIER AND CONTINUES TO TRACK THE SYSTEM
RAPIDLY WESTWARD THROUGH TAU 72 IN ANTICIPATION OF DIRECT CYCLONE
INTERACTION (DCI) WITH A DEVELOPING DISTURBANCE IN THE EAST
PHILIPPINE SEA, BEFORE SHARPLY TURNING THE SYSTEM POLEWARD. THIS
FORECAST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS FORECAST TRACK, FAVORING A
TRACK SLIGHTLY RIGHT OF CONSENSUS THROUGH TAU 96 IN FAVOR OF A MORE
SOLID STR AND MARGINAL DCI. DUE TO THE WIDE SPREAD IN NUMERICAL
MODEL GUIDANCE IN THE LATER TAUS, THE FORECAST AT TAU 120 IS SLIGHTLY
LEFT OF CONSENSUS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS JTWC FORECASTS
UNTIL MODEL GUIDANCE COMES INTO BETTER AGREEMENT. MAXIMUM
SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 140600Z IS 24 FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT
141500Z, 142100Z, 150300Z AND 150900Z.//
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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#236 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:08 am

Nice image of ECMWF runs which I think is a pro product I nicked from another forum:

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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#237 Postby GCANE » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:22 am

On the positive side:

1) TRMM showing very strong hot-towers on the eyewall and also in the feeder bands.
2) Core symmetry is very good.
3) Anti-cyclone is back over the LLC.


On the negative side:

1) It appears 92W and the TUTT to the west are inhibiting UL outflow.
2) A large dry-air slot to the NW could work its way into the core or pinch off some of the moisture feed from the south.

In the short-term, looks like another round of RI may be coming up from the hot-towers and anti-cyclone position.
Long term, GFS digs it even deeper than 24 hrs ago. Not seeing much change in forecasted track.

ADT-Version 8.1.3

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 14 JUL 2011 Time : 090000 UTC
Lat : 20:09:02 N Lon : 145:39:00 E

CI# 5.1
Pressure 958.9mb
Vmax 92.4kt

Final T# 5.1
Adj T# 6.1
Raw T# 6.1


Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 27 km
Center Temp : +5.7C Cloud Region Temp : -66.0C
Scene Type : EYE
Positioning Method : RING/SPIRAL COMBINATION


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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#238 Postby GCANE » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:34 am

Mostly as a point of reference to track FIM's performance, the 00Z run is showing Shikoku taking the brunt of the storm.

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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#239 Postby GCANE » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:46 am

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Re: WPAC: MA-ON - Typhoon

#240 Postby dowdavek » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:49 am

The weather here on Guam has been crazy the past two days. Very squally tonight with thunder and lightning (two things that are surprisingly pretty rare here). So glad this one went north...
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