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#141 Postby oaba09 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:42 am

StormingB81 wrote:SO what is everyone elses opinion..3 of the 5 show very close to Okinawa..to JTWC hitting tawain.....and this isnt to say right or wrong or for people to take these as it will happend I jus twant to know what people think and what they believe the storm will do...I am biting with the majority and saying it wil lbe closer to Okinawa then Tawain and from what I saw from the models. Like I said I believe tomorrow night timeframe nto friday morning we will have an agreement on all of what track they forecast


I personally think it's going to hit taiwan based on JTWC's prognostic reasoning:

B. TS 07W IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TRACKING ALONG THE SOUTHWESTERN
PERIPHERY OF THE STR THROUGH TAU 48. INTENSIFICATION IS EXPECTED TO
BE SLOW. ORGANIZATION OF A LARGE SYSTEM TAKES LONGER THAN THAT OF A
SMALLER SYSTEM, THE TUTT TO THE EAST IS STARTING TO FILL, AND AN
OMEGA BLOCKING PATTERN IN THE MIDLATITUDE REGIME WILL SUPPRESS A
POLEWARD OUTFLOW CHANNEL AS THE SYSTEM ROUDS THE WESTERN EXTENT OF
THE STR. THE SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO REACH MINIMAL TYPHOON INTENSITY
BEFORE MAKING LANDFALL INTO TAIWAN NEAR TAU 72.
C. IN THE EXTENDED FORECAST, TS 07W WILL STEER ALONG THE WESTERN
EXTENT OF THE STR AND MAKE A SECOND LANDFALL IN CHINA BEFORE MOVING
INTO THE MIDLATITUDE WESTERLIES OVER THE YELLOW SEA. NUMERICAL MODEL
GUIDANCE IS IN FAIR AGREEMENT. GFDN AND NOGAPS ARE THE EASTERN
OUTLIERS PULLING THE SYSTEM OVER THE RYUKYU ISLANDS. ECMWF IS THE
WESTERN OUTLIER PULLING THE SYSTEM SOUTH OF TAIWAN INTO SOUTHERN
CHINA. THE DISCREPANCY STEMS FROM AN OMEGA BLOCKING PATTERN SET UP
OVER MONGOLIA AND MANCHURIA, CHINA. THE MODELS THAT HOLD THE PATTERN
LONGER AND MAINTAIN THE STR INTEGRITY (ECMWF) HAVE 07W TRACKING
FURTHER WEST, AND MODELS THAT ARE BREAKING DOWN THE PATTERN SOONER
(NOGAPS) HAVE THE SYSTEM RECURVING FASTER. MOST NUMERICAL GUIDANCE
HAS THE TENDENCY TO MOVE BLOCKING PATTERNS OUT TOO FAST, SO THIS
FORECAST FAVORS A MORE WESTERN TRACK NEAR UKMET, JGSM AND ECMWF.//
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#142 Postby StormingB81 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:44 am

With that oba it is basically who is calling the blocking pattern right..which I am sure is difficult so when even wrong its not really wrong because things are hard to predict...just be ready from PI to Japan...
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#143 Postby oaba09 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:46 am

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#144 Postby StormingB81 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:10 am

lol we are in storm warning if that matters for anything
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Re: WPAC: 07W [Falcon] - Tropical Depression

#145 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:26 am

Going to be an interesting one to follow this. All the major models are certainly going to a Taiwan MISS in the 00z runs yet JTWC and JMA are going to a very close pass or hit.

I've seen countless times the models and agencies do the so-called "west shift" so a Taiwan hit wouldn't surprise me. Certainly interests from Luzon, Taiwan and the Ryukus will need to watch it closely!
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#146 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:30 am

Now decleared TS Meari, anyone know where that comes from?
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#147 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:32 am

Looks like you may be going to back to Miyaki James, thats where you went for Songda correct?
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#148 Postby StormingB81 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:35 am

Wunderground computer models show a much closer okinawa path like nogaps and gfs which jma and jtwc show near tawain..interesting
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#149 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:36 am

Haha Rob I was indeed there for Songda but unless it looks like becoming a super typhoon I won't head all way to the island again so soon after my last trip! Anyhow I'll be in Tokyo this weekend!
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#150 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:38 am

StormingB81 wrote:Wunderground computer models show a much closer okinawa path like nogaps and gfs which jma and jtwc show near tawain..interesting


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought WU used GFS as there main model...
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#151 Postby StormingB81 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:39 am

maybe that is why there are all but the same..lol
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Re: WPAC: 07W [Falcon] - Tropical Depression

#152 Postby Infdidoll » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:02 am

Amoygal wrote:
Infdidoll wrote:This one will be called Meari, I believe. JTWC's numbers seem to keep it a weaker typhoon, which seems to go along with ECM whose predictions have been milder than HKO's. This DOES look like a wet storm with a lot of convection and precipitation like Morakot. We had some really good obs from Taiwan, last year, from some people who came on the forum here. Seemed to be worried about a dam there, if I remember correctly. Hope all those issues are sorted because looks like they're about to get some rain. We could use the precip here, too. Have seen hardly any rain and Songda was a very dry typhoon.


I'm in Taiwan. The Shimen dam concerns are still valid, but it's been dryer than usual here lately, so it should be okay this go round. The biggest concern is always the mountainous areas and potential landslides. Keeping an eye on this one.


Glad to hear from you! Latest forecasts have it looking more and more like it's coming that way. Maybe it can hit you guys and then bring some rain this way. I don't mind not having much rain (meh, humidity!), but I'm sure the local farmers here on Okinawa would appreciate it!
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#153 Postby oaba09 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:08 am

Wow...winds just picked up here....Not sure if this is an effect of this system though...
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#154 Postby oaba09 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:12 am

Latest from JTWC(Interesting to note that there are 2 possible LLCCs)
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WTPN32 PGTW 220900
MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. TROPICAL STORM 07W (SEVEN) WARNING NR 003
02 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONES IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
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WARNING POSITION:
220600Z --- NEAR 14.5N 127.4E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 310 DEGREES AT 14 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM
POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 035 KT, GUSTS 045 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
REPEAT POSIT: 14.5N 127.4E
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FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
221800Z --- 16.2N 125.8E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 045 KT, GUSTS 055 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 060 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
060 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 320 DEG/ 11 KTS
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24 HRS, VALID AT:
230600Z --- 17.9N 124.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 055 KT, GUSTS 070 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 330 DEG/ 12 KTS
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36 HRS, VALID AT:
231800Z --- 19.9N 123.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 060 KT, GUSTS 075 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 095 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
080 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
090 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 335 DEG/ 11 KTS
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EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
240600Z --- 22.0N 122.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 060 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
060 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 115 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
100 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
100 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
095 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 345 DEG/ 10 KTS
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72 HRS, VALID AT:
250600Z --- 25.9N 120.8E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 050 KT, GUSTS 065 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 105 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
085 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 000 DEG/ 11 KTS
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LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 250 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 350 NM ON DAY 5... AND FOR INTENSITY
NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY.
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96 HRS, VALID AT:
260600Z --- 30.4N 121.0E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 040 KT, GUSTS 050 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 015 DEG/ 14 KTS
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120 HRS, VALID AT:
270600Z --- 35.7N 122.8E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 035 KT, GUSTS 045 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
DISSIPATING AS A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE OVER WATER
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REMARKS:
220900Z POSITION NEAR 14.9N 127.0E.
TROPICAL STORM (TS) 07W (SEVEN), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 370 NM
EAST OF MANILA, PHILIPPINES, HAS TRACKED NORTHWESTWARD AT 14 KTS
OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS A VERY
BROAD SYSTEM THAT SPANS ALMOST THE ENTIRE PHILIPPINE SEA. DEEP
CONVECTIVE BANDS ARE BEGINNING TO CONSOLIDATE AROUND TWO POSSIBLE
LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTERS (LLCC). THIS FORECAST IS BASED ON THE
MORE DOMINANT LLCC WITH FORMATIVE BANDS WRAPPING FROM THE NORTH. THE
SECONDARY LLCC IS TO THE SOUTHEAST WITH FORMATIVE BANDS WRAPPING
FROM THE SOUTHWEST. UPPER LEVEL ANALYSIS INDICATES THE SYSTEM IS
UNDER A RIDGE AXIS IN AN AREA OF LOW VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. A TROPICAL
UPPER TROPOSPHERIC TROUGH CELL TO THE EAST IS ENHANCING OUTFLOW. THE
INITIAL POSITION IS EXTRAPOLATED FROM A 220454Z AMSU-B MICROWAVE
IMAGE SHOWING A DISTINCT NOTCH OVER THE LLCC. THE INITIAL INTENSITY
IS SUPPORTED BY DVORAK ESTIMATES FROM PGTW, KNES, AND RJTD AND FROM
A 220138Z ASCAT PASS SHOWING 35-KNOT WIND BARBS AROUND THE LLCC. THE
SYSTEM IS TRACKING ALONG THE SOUTHWEST PERIPHERY OF A DEEP-LAYERED
SUBTROPICAL RIDGE ANCHORED SOUTHEAST OF JAPAN. IT IS EXPECTED TO
CONTINUE TRACKING NORHTWESTWARD UP TO TAU 48 BEFORE CROSSING TAIWAN
THEN MOVE ON A MORE POLEWARD TRACK IN RESPONSE TO A MID-LATITUDE
TROUGH APPROACHING FROM THE NORTHWEST. THE SYSTEM WILL GRADUALLY
INTENSIFY DUE TO THE FAVORABLE UPPER LEVEL CONDITIONS, PEAKING AT
TYPHOON INTENSITY BEFORE TAIWAN. IT WILL THEN CROSS THE EASTERN TIP
OF CHINA AND EXIT INTO THE YELLOW SEA NEAR SHANGHAI AND COMMENCE
DISSIPATION OVER WATER. THE AVAILABLE NUMERICAL GUIDANCE FAN OUT TO
ABOUT A 30-DEGREE SPREAD WITH ECMWF TO THE LEFT OF AND NOGAPS AND
GFDN TO THE RIGHT OF THE MODEL ENVELOPE. THIS TRACK FORECAST IS TO
THE LEFT OF CONSENSUS TO OFFSET THE RIGHT OUTLIERS' UNLIKELY
INCURSION INTO THE STEERING RIDGE. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT
AT 220600Z IS 13 FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT 221500Z, 222100Z, 230300Z
AND 230900Z. REFER TO TROPICAL DEPRESSION 06W (HAIMA) WARNINGS
(WTPN31 PGTW) FOR SIX-HOURLY UPDATES.//
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#155 Postby drdavisjr » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:15 am

oaba09 wrote:Wow...winds just picked up here....Not sure if this is an effect of this system though...


Not raining there, yet?
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#156 Postby oaba09 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:22 am

drdavisjr wrote:
oaba09 wrote:Wow...winds just picked up here....Not sure if this is an effect of this system though...


Not raining there, yet?


There's a slight rain but it's the wind that got my attention :lol:
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#157 Postby drdavisjr » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:27 am

oaba09 wrote:There's a slight rain but it's the wind that got my attention :lol:


Same here in Marilao. I expect conditions to deteriorate overnight and into tomorrow.
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Re: WPAC: 07W [Falcon] - Tropical Depression

#158 Postby dexterlabio » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:46 am

The 2 possible LLCC are noticeable in latest satpics...I'm not sure if what that could mean for the storm's development. The size of Maeri is incredibly huge so it may happen that a portion of the convection will detach from the main circulation and forms its own center. Well it's better if that possible LLCC to the southwest will just wrap around the more prominent center west of Luzon to make it only a single threat. :lol:
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#159 Postby oaba09 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:47 am

latest from JMA:
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<Analyses at 22/09 UTC>
Scale -
Intensity -
Center position N14°05'(14.1°)
E128°20'(128.3°)
Direction and speed of movement WNW 25km/h(13kt)
Central pressure 998hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 18m/s(35kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 25m/s(50kt)
Area of 30kt winds or more NE440km(240NM)
SW300km(160NM)

<Forecast for 23/09 UTC>
Intensity -
Center position of probability circle N17°55'(17.9°)
E125°40'(125.7°)
Direction and speed of movement NNW 20km/h(11kt)
Central pressure 990hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 23m/s(45kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 35m/s(65kt)
Radius of probability circle 140km(75NM)

<Forecast for 24/06 UTC>
Intensity -
Center position of probability circle N20°50'(20.8°)
E123°35'(123.6°)
Direction and speed of movement NNW 20km/h(11kt)
Central pressure 975hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 30m/s(60kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 45m/s(85kt)
Radius of probability circle 260km(140NM)
Storm warning area Wide 370km(200NM)

<Forecast for 25/06 UTC>
Intensity Strong
Center position of probability circle N25°10'(25.2°)
E122°20'(122.3°)
Direction and speed of movement N 20km/h(11kt)
Central pressure 960hPa
Maximum wind speed near the center 40m/s(75kt)
Maximum wind gust speed 55m/s(105kt)
Radius of probability circle 390km(210NM)
Storm warning area Wide 560km(300NM)
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#160 Postby oaba09 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:59 am

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