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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Models

#241 Postby Ivanhater » Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:35 am

The only way I can see this making it that far west is if this thing started booking it and beat the trough and erosion of the ridge
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Models

#242 Postby Wx_Warrior » Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:36 am

High is parked I guess...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Models

#243 Postby ROCK » Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:37 am

South Texas Storms wrote:so as of right now there is no chance at a texas landfall?



unlikely.....but I wouldnt rule out closer than some of these models are showing....
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#244 Postby HouTXmetro » Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:41 am

Yeah, at the moment there is just little if no model support for Texas. The bad part about that is a Louisiana landfall means more oppressive heat for us with all that sinking air.
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#245 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:45 am

HouTXmetro wrote:Yeah, at the moment there is just little if no model support for Texas. The bad part about that is a Louisiana landfall means more oppressive heat for us with all that sinking air.



yeah im especially not looking forward to that. :( we really need some rain to cool things off a bit over here.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Models

#246 Postby Ivanhater » Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:54 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Models

#247 Postby ROCK » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:09 am

EURO out soon.....will it go with the consensus or will it go out on its own rogue solution...


we know the right bias of the GDFL and HWRF but we also know the EURO is left bias.....somewhere in the middle...say SWLA this run..final answer.... :lol:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Models

#248 Postby HouTXmetro » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:12 am

ROCK wrote:EURO out soon.....will it go with the consensus or will it go out on its own rogue solution...


we know the right bias of the GDFL and HWRF but we also know the EURO is left bias.....somewhere in the middle...say SWLA this run..final answer.... :lol:


Is that your prediction for the EURO run or that's where you think landfall will occur?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Models

#249 Postby ROCK » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:15 am

HouTXmetro wrote:
ROCK wrote:EURO out soon.....will it go with the consensus or will it go out on its own rogue solution...


we know the right bias of the GDFL and HWRF but we also know the EURO is left bias.....somewhere in the middle...say SWLA this run..final answer.... :lol:


Is that your prediction for the EURO run or that's where you think landfall will occur?



the EURO run..... :D I dont put to much faith in the GFDL or its brother HWRF....the GFDL had a cat 3 into freeport yesterday... :D
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#250 Postby HouTXmetro » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:21 am

Can't believe i'm staying up late for the EURO. what time can I expect someone to post? getting sleepy, lol.
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#251 Postby LaBreeze » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:23 am

HouTXmetro wrote:Can't believe i'm staying up late for the EURO. what time can I expect someone to post? getting sleepy, lol.

Is the Euro really that dependable and believable? Just wondering.
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#252 Postby ROCK » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:25 am

HouTXmetro wrote:Can't believe i'm staying up late for the EURO. what time can I expect someone to post? getting sleepy, lol.



bro... it will be out very soon....I am monitoring another site which I can get it sooner....hang tight...welcome to the brotherhood.. :lol:
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#253 Postby ROCK » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:27 am

LaBreeze wrote:
HouTXmetro wrote:Can't believe i'm staying up late for the EURO. what time can I expect someone to post? getting sleepy, lol.

Is the Euro really that dependable and believable? Just wondering.


I think it is when we have a fully developed system. It doesnt do to well with these organizing, center relocating LLCs......I watch it for it rogue solutions it spits out from time to time...
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WHXX01 KWBC 100608

CHGHUR

TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
0608 UTC TUE AUG 10 2010
 
DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.
 
ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR
 
DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL942010) 20100810 0600 UTC
 
        ...00 HRS...   ...12 HRS...   ...24 HRS. ..   ...36 HRS...
        100810  0600   100810  1800   100811  0600   100811  1800
 
         LAT    LON     LAT    LON     LAT    LON     LAT    LON
BAMS    25.4N  82.7W   26.2N  83.6W   27.1N  84.7W   28.3N  85.8W
BAMD    25.4N  82.7W   25.1N  84.1W   25.5N  85.6W   26.6N  87.1W
BAMM    25.4N  82.7W   25.7N  84.0W   26.4N  85.4W   27.5N  86.9W
LBAR    25.4N  82.7W   25.2N  83.8W   25.6N  85.3W   26.2N  86.9W
SHIP        25KTS          29KTS          34KTS          40KTS
DSHP        25KTS          29KTS          34KTS          40KTS
 
        ...48 HRS...   ...72 HRS...   ...96 HRS. ..   ..120 HRS...
        100812  0600   100813  0600   100814  0600   100815  0600
 
         LAT    LON     LAT    LON     LAT    LON     LAT    LON
BAMS    29.3N  86.5W   31.2N  86.3W   32.4N  84.6W   33.2N  82.7W
BAMD    27.8N  88.6W   30.1N  90.4W   32.3N  90.3W   33.8N  87.7W
BAMM    28.5N  88.0W   30.6N  88.8W   32.3N  87.9W   33.4N  85.3W
LBAR    26.8N  88.4W   28.3N  91.0W   29.9N  92.4W   31.9N  92.2W
SHIP        44KTS          52KTS          57KTS          59KTS
DSHP        44KTS          43KTS          29KTS          27KTS
 
         ...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR =  25.4N LONCUR =  82.7W DIRCUR = 205DEG SPDCUR =   3KT
LATM12 =  25.9N LONM12 =  82.5W DIRM12 = 204DEG SPDM12 =   3KT
LATM24 =  26.5N LONM24 =  81.9W
WNDCUR =   25KT RMAXWD =   60NM WNDM12 =   20KT
CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1012MB OUTRAD =  150NM SDEPTH =   S
RD34NE =    0NM RD34SE =    0NM RD34SW =    0NM RD34NW =   0NM

                    *   ATLANTIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST       *
                    *      GOES DATA AVAILABLE                  *
                    *      OHC  DATA AVAILABLE                  *
                    *      INVEST  AL942010  08/10/10  06 UTC   *

TIME (HR)          0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96   108   120
V (KT) NO LAND    25    27    29    32    34    40    44    49    52    54    57    58    59
V (KT) LAND       25    27    29    32    34    40    44    49    43    33    29    27    27
V (KT) LGE mod    25    27    29    32    34    39    43    47    44    33    29    27    27

SHEAR (KT)        17    15     9     7     8    16    12    16     3     9     1     3     1
SHEAR ADJ (KT)    -1    -1     0    -1    -1     0    -2     0    -3    -2     0    -3     1
SHEAR DIR        336    19    58    71    74    95    96   102   105   100   214   126   232
SST (C)         30.4  30.4  30.5  30.5  30.5  30.7  31.1  31.6  31.7  31.3  30.8  30.2  30.0
POT. INT. (KT)   168   170   170   170   171   170   170   169   169   169   169   170   168
ADJ. POT. INT.   149   153   156   157   158   159   165   169   169   161   151   141   138
200 MB T (C)   -51.5 -51.7 -51.5 -51.4 -51.4 -51.1 -51.1 -50.8 -50.8 -50.4 -50.4 -50.1 -50.0
TH_E DEV (C)      10    10    10    11    11    11    11    13    11    14    12    14    10
700-500 MB RH     56    56    62    59    54    59    53    58    51    54    49    63    63
GFS VTEX (KT)      9     8     9     9     7     8     6     5     3     2  LOST  LOST  LOST
850 MB ENV VOR   -26   -23     0   -11   -28   -18   -51   -36   -83   -66   -91   -30   -55
200 MB DIV        -3   -10     3   -13   -12     5    -5     1   -10    14    17    32    31
LAND (KM)        114   166   207   242   295   284   143    51   -22  -115  -178  -289  -335
LAT (DEG N)     25.4  25.6  25.7  26.1  26.4  27.5  28.5  29.6  30.6  31.6  32.3  33.1  33.4
LONG(DEG W)     82.7  83.4  84.0  84.7  85.4  86.9  88.0  88.8  88.8  88.6  87.9  86.8  85.3
STM SPEED (KT)     4     6     6     7     8     8     7     5     5     5     5     6     7
HEAT CONTENT      11    24    37    62    56    38    54     6    33    34     0     0     0

  FORECAST TRACK FROM BAMM      INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):205/  3      CX,CY:   0/ -2
  T-12 MAX WIND:  20            PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB):  572  (MEAN=624)
  GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV.  50-200 KM RAD:  25.6 (MEAN=14.5)
  % GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C    50-200 KM RAD:  56.0 (MEAN=65.0)

                        INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
                         6   12   18   24   36   48   60   72   84   96  108  120
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   8.   9.  11.  11.  12.  13.  13.
  SST POTENTIAL          0.   0.   0.   1.   6.  13.  22.  27.  33.  37.  40.  41.
  VERTICAL SHEAR MAG     1.   3.   5.   6.   9.   9.   9.   9.   9.  10.  11.  12.
  VERTICAL SHEAR ADJ     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   2.   2.   1.   1.
  VERTICAL SHEAR DIR     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -1.
  PERSISTENCE            1.   1.   2.   2.   2.   2.   2.   2.   1.   1.   0.   0.
  200/250 MB TEMP.       0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -4.  -5.  -7.  -8.  -9. -11. -13.
  THETA_E EXCESS         0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   2.   2.   3.
  700-500 MB RH          0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.
  GFS VORTEX TENDENCY    0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -3.  -4.  -5.  -6.  -7.  -7.  -7.
  850 MB ENV VORTICITY   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -3.  -5.  -6.  -7.  -7.  -8.
  200 MB DIVERGENCE      0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -3.  -3.  -4.  -4.  -4.  -3.  -2.
  ZONAL STORM MOTION     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -3.  -3.
  STEERING LEVEL PRES    0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   0.   0.
  DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  GOES PREDICTORS        0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -1.  -1.
  OCEAN HEAT CONTENT     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL CHANGE           2.   4.   7.   9.  15.  19.  24.  27.  29.  32.  33.  34.

   ** 2010 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL942010     INVEST 08/10/10  06 UTC **
           ( 30 KT OR MORE MAX WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24 HR)
 
 12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT):   5.0 Range:-45.0 to  30.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.7/  1.4
 850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) :  11.3 Range: 26.2 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.6/  0.8
 D200 (10**7s-1)       :  -7.0 Range:-21.0 to 140.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.1/  0.1
 POT = MPI-VMAX (KT)   : 129.5 Range: 33.5 to 126.5 Scaled/Wgted Val:  1.0/  0.7
 850-700 MB REL HUM (%):  64.0 Range: 56.0 to  85.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.2
 % area w/pixels <-30 C:  50.0 Range: 17.0 to 100.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.4/  0.0
 STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP :  25.6 Range: 30.6 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.2/  0.3
 Heat content (KJ/cm2) :  38.0 Range:  0.0 to 130.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.0
 
 Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold=    20% is   1.6 times the sample mean(12.6%)
 Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold=    12% is   1.5 times the sample mean( 8.1%)
 Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold=     8% is   1.7 times the sample mean( 4.8%)
 Prob of RI for 40 kt RI threshold=     4% is   1.0 times the sample mean( 3.4%)

   ##         ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL942010     INVEST 08/10/10  06 UTC         ##
   ## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=5 NFAIL=2                          ##
   ## AHI=  0   (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##
   ##     ANNULAR INDEX RAN NORMALLY             

** PROBLTY OF AT LEAST 1 SCNDRY EYEWL FORMTN EVENT AL942010     INVEST 08/10/2010  06 UTC **
TIME(HR)   0-12  12-24(0-24)  24-36(0-36)  36-48(0-48)
CLIMO(%)     0      0(  0)       0(  0)       0(  0)     <-- PROB BASED ON INTENSITY ONLY
PROB(%)      0      0(  0)       0(  0)       0(  0)     <-- FULL MODEL PROB (RAN NORMALLY)
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#255 Postby supercane » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:32 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Models

#256 Postby ROCK » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:38 am

well there a consensus for you.... :lol:

thats why you throw out the BAMMs after 20N....
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#257 Postby HouTXmetro » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:39 am

Must be one deep Trough coming down... The BAMS models have shifted east big time. Hopefully this trough can usher in some cooler and drier air into Texas.

LOL, just saw your statement about BAMS...while true it is in line with the other models Rock,.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Models

#258 Postby Ikester » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:41 am

Well the EURO and GFS both indicate Canada cooling down quite a bit with the 0c line coming close to the USA border. Indications are heights collapse behind FROPA with good squall line pushing through Texas. We'll see. That's gotta be what the models are sniffing.
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#259 Postby ROCK » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:44 am

HouTXmetro wrote:Must be one deep Trough coming down... The BAMS models have shifted east big time. Hopefully this trough can usher in some cooler and drier air into Texas.

LOL, just saw your statement about BAMS...while true it is in line with the other models Rock,.



true...BAMMs though are worthless after 20N....trof into Texas..AFD- ridge comes back with a vengence by Saturday...

BTW-...look at the xtrap...drifting SW ever so slowly with no steering the LLC will migrate to the blow up of convection....
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L - Models

#260 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:48 am

if this moves slower than expected, could it possibly miss the trough coming down and be steered more westerly because of the ridge building back in after the trough?
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