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#181 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:34 am

What does SAL stnd for by the way.

Shear and Landmass? LOL
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#182 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:35 am

Hurricane Andrew wrote:What does SAL stnd for by the way.

Shear and Landmass? LOL


Saharan Air Layer
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#183 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:35 am

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#184 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:36 am

cycloneye wrote:
Hurricane Andrew wrote:What does SAL stnd for by the way.

Shear and Landmass? LOL


Saharan Air Layer

Oh. Thanks.

It seems the Invest has 60 Hours for RAPID strengthening the Weakening.
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Re: ATL : INVEST 92L

#185 Postby lonelymike » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:37 am

cycloneye wrote:No visit yet by planes as is still far from land.

WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
1030 AM EDT SUN 13 JUNE 2010
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 14/1100Z TO 15/1100Z JUNE 2010
TCPOD NUMBER.....10-013

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK.....NEGATIVE.


Why would there need to be? All the excitement over a bunch of clouds.
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#186 Postby Gustywind » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:37 am

92L: History in the making
:rarrow: http://www.wunderground.com/blog/Weathe ... trynum=380

Posted by: Weather456, 09:43 GMT le 13 juin 2010

In utter shock, the tropical wave that I was tracking over Africa last week and expected to develop in the Caribbean has defy all known fact of Atlantic Tropical Climatology and is now nearing depression status in the Eastern Atlantic. Satellite images taken of the Atlantic shows a rather disturbing scene at the start of what is expected to be "one hell of a season."

Satellite imagery showed a bone chilling image of an organizing cyclone near 8N-33W moving west-northwest near 10-15 knots. Banding continues to increase around a possible but broad closed low-level circulation and I suspect that we may have Tropical Depression 1 before the day’s end and Alex by Monday. There is still some vertical shear affecting the system from the east but that is likely due to the upper anticyclone superimposition over the low. Further analysis of the circulation revealed it continues to get stronger as it nears 10N. Environmental conditions are favourable for continued development with very warm sea surface temperatures, upper anticyclonic outflow, deep moisture field and low vertical shear. Much of the intensity guidances keep shear very low as 92L heads west, reaching moderate to strong tropical storm intensity by 2-4 days. Intensity begins to drop afterwards due to increasing shear as the system nears the Caribbean in about 5-7 days. I suspect that gradual intensification may lead to a moderate tropical storm in about 2-3 based with the consensus of the intensity models and the environmental conditions such as the availability of ocean heat content. I suspect if the system stays below 15-20N, that intensification will occur until reaching the SE Caribbean where high levels of shear may weaken the system.


Track guidance favours a west-northwest motion over the next couple of days with a bit more northerly component as it nears 50W. However, I think some of the models are a bit north for my fancy. For one, there is a large mid-latitude trough passing through near 50W and as it does so should give way to ridging. This should favour a more west-northwest track than northwest track bringing the system near the islands in about 5 days. Folks in the Lesser Antilles should monitor the progress of this system.

Now there is an upper trough guarding the western Tropical Atlantic but because it is located in the upper levels, it should have little effect on steering since the low-mid level flow is westerly. This is the TUTT and has more say over intensity than track of tropical cyclones. In addition, this trough served to weaken the steering flow below it and systems tend to move west-northwest to northwest in the absent of steering due to the beta effect. My current thinking is a track towards the west-northwest, following the southern models.

The significance of 92L is great as there has been no recorded cyclones this far east in June. This would become the only cyclone to develop in the Eastern Atlantic in June and if it does become a hurricane, it would shattered the record for earliest CV Hurricane by 2008's Bertha.

Early seasonal development like this does not bode well for the season ahead.
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Re: ATL : INVEST 92L

#187 Postby Blown Away » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:37 am

Convection seems to popping a little N of the best track I wonder if 92L is trying to reorganize a little N and get out of the ITCZ?
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#188 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:37 am

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Re: ATL : INVEST 92L

#189 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:43 am

Looks like a TD or very close to it seeing this loop but is only my take.

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#190 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:44 am

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Floater now in the right place
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#191 Postby RL3AO » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:44 am

This is going to be a long season.
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#192 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:45 am

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Re: ATL : INVEST 92L

#193 Postby Macrocane » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:49 am

lonelymike wrote:
Why would there need to be? All the excitement over a bunch of clouds.


A bunch of clouds that has a good circulation, good outflow, banding features, is under a moderate to low shear environment and warm SST, it's just a typical tropical wave...isn't it? :wink:
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Re: ATL : INVEST 92L

#194 Postby Hurricane Andrew » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:50 am

Macrocane wrote:
lonelymike wrote:
Why would there need to be? All the excitement over a bunch of clouds.


A bunch of clouds that has a good circulation, good outflow, banding features, is under a moderate to low shear environment and warm SST, it's just a typical tropical wave...isn't it? :wink:

Yup...just a typical wave...YEAH RIGHT!
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#195 Postby NDG » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:54 am

Notice that 92L is only moving 10-15 knots westward, a sign from this year's weaker than normal easterlies across the tropical Atlantic, usually tropical systems and or disturbances this time of the year usally in years that have a strong Azores ridge are flying westward at least at 15-20 knots westward, if not faster.
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#196 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:58 am

Circulation quite evident.

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#197 Postby KWT » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:02 am

Cycloneye, I'd personally raise the chances of development as high as 50% right now myself, its got a really good circulation and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we have a tightening LLC down there. For now though its probably still quite broad.

Of course being where it is, the NHC will be conservative in calling this one and it may have to get close to TS status before they pull the trigger, thats been the case for many E/C Atlantic systems in recent years.
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Re: ATL : INVEST 92L

#198 Postby Nimbus » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:02 am

Weak easterlies I hate that. Can't believe we are actually watching something near 36W 6N start to spin up in June. Maybe its just a sharp wave apex and in 72 hours it will get blown apart but 72 hours under the present conditions will probably result in at least TD1 even if the NHC drags their feat.
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#199 Postby srainhoutx » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:02 am

I suspect that we will see TD #1 in the next 24-36 hours if things progress as they have so far IMHO. Stay safe Eastern Caribbean neighbors.
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#200 Postby x-y-no » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:10 am

NDG wrote:Notice that 92L is only moving 10-15 knots westward, a sign from this year's weaker than normal easterlies across the tropical Atlantic, usually tropical systems and or disturbances this time of the year usally in years that have a strong Azores ridge are flying westward at least at 15-20 knots westward, if not faster.


Good point, as that improves the prospects of development. If that pattern holds later in the season, we're going to have a lot of CV storms.
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