ATL: TROPICAL STORM BILL (03L)

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#3261 Postby cpdaman » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:57 pm

fact789 wrote:IN FACT...GOES SATELLITE SUPER-RAPID SCAN SHOWS THE
STRUCTURE OF THE EYEWALL AND SEVERAL MESOVORTICES INSIDE THE
EYE...TYPICAL OF STRONG HURRICANES.

Does anyone have a picture of the above? And, I've got the link for RSO, but I've never heard of S-RSO before.


i believe i once saw isabel near her peak have 5 cool mesovortices inside which formed a near perfect Pentogram for a while.....looked amazing
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#3262 Postby USTropics » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:58 pm

fact789 wrote:IN FACT...GOES SATELLITE SUPER-RAPID SCAN SHOWS THE
STRUCTURE OF THE EYEWALL AND SEVERAL MESOVORTICES INSIDE THE
EYE...TYPICAL OF STRONG HURRICANES.

Does anyone have a picture of the above? And, I've got the link for RSO, but I've never heard of S-RSO before.


http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/project ... isloop.asp
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#3263 Postby Cainer » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:59 pm

fact789 wrote:IN FACT...GOES SATELLITE SUPER-RAPID SCAN SHOWS THE
STRUCTURE OF THE EYEWALL AND SEVERAL MESOVORTICES INSIDE THE
EYE...TYPICAL OF STRONG HURRICANES.

Does anyone have a picture of the above? And, I've got the link for RSO, but I've never heard of S-RSO before.


wxman57 posted the link back a couple of pages ago, but I'll post it here again so no one has to go looking :)

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/project ... isloop.asp

It's actually pretty amazing to watch, gives a whole new look to the hurricane really!
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#3264 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:59 pm

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Looking great
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#3265 Postby Gigsley » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:06 pm

http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gall ... 5.250m.jpg

Here is a real nice view right down Bill's throat. You will need to scroll around to see it. :double:
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Re: ATL: HURRICANE BILL (03L)

#3266 Postby Sanibel » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:07 pm

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#3267 Postby massweathernet » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:19 pm

Shaun2453 wrote:Heard a rumour that the trough of low pressure that is supposed to move Bill out to sea has transformed itself with a "negative tilt". I have no idea of the significance or this or even what it means in laymans terms though I'll be googling it to find out but the same personm told me that its effect may be to pull Bill closer to the shore...

Anyone else heard/ seen or have an opinion on this?


I second an explanation please!
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#3268 Postby RL3AO » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:24 pm

massweathernet wrote:
Shaun2453 wrote:Heard a rumour that the trough of low pressure that is supposed to move Bill out to sea has transformed itself with a "negative tilt". I have no idea of the significance or this or even what it means in laymans terms though I'll be googling it to find out but the same personm told me that its effect may be to pull Bill closer to the shore...

Anyone else heard/ seen or have an opinion on this?


I second an explanation please!


Basically if the trough over the Upper Midwest gains a negative tilt it wouldn't move towards the east coast as quickly and could cause Bill to approach closer to the Northeast coast than if it doesn't become negative tilted.
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#3269 Postby craptacular » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:26 pm

cpdaman wrote:
fact789 wrote:IN FACT...GOES SATELLITE SUPER-RAPID SCAN SHOWS THE
STRUCTURE OF THE EYEWALL AND SEVERAL MESOVORTICES INSIDE THE
EYE...TYPICAL OF STRONG HURRICANES.

Does anyone have a picture of the above? And, I've got the link for RSO, but I've never heard of S-RSO before.


i believe i once saw isabel near her peak have 5 cool mesovortices inside which formed a near perfect Pentogram for a while.....looked amazing


This is a report about Isabel's mesovortices, with a nice picture of what you described:
http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~kossin/articl ... KosSch.pdf
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#3270 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:45 pm

the NHC track is nearly identical to the HWRF

Most guidance is well west of their track
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#3271 Postby drezee » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:55 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:the NHC track is nearly identical to the HWRF

Most guidance is well west of their track


That's a ton of faith in the HWRF...can't wait for the 0z models with recon input tonight...
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#3272 Postby wxman57 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:56 pm

massweathernet wrote:
Shaun2453 wrote:Heard a rumour that the trough of low pressure that is supposed to move Bill out to sea has transformed itself with a "negative tilt". I have no idea of the significance or this or even what it means in laymans terms though I'll be googling it to find out but the same personm told me that its effect may be to pull Bill closer to the shore...

Anyone else heard/ seen or have an opinion on this?


I second an explanation please!


None of the models is forecasting such a negatively-tilted trof (GFS, ECMWF, Canadian). Just a rumor.
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#3273 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:56 pm

If a strong hurricane were to hit Atlantic Canada, I wonder if the major networks (i.e. TWC, CNN, Fox News, etc.) would take reporters up there? Juan was practically ignored...
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Re: ATL: HURRICANE BILL (03L)

#3274 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:59 pm

Cantore is in Bermuda.
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#3275 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:01 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:the NHC track is nearly identical to the HWRF

Most guidance is well west of their track


I've notice that also. Why are they sticking so stubbornly to a track based mainly upon that one model, anyone know?
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#3276 Postby artist » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:02 pm

cycloneye wrote:Cantore is in Bermuda.

do they really think it's gonna hit Bermuda?! :eek:
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Re: ATL: HURRICANE BILL (03L)

#3277 Postby somethingfunny » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:03 pm

cycloneye wrote:Cantore is in Bermuda.


Why? He won't be able to get up to Nova Scotia in time. I guess he's going to give the glory of being blown over by hurricane strength wind gusts in Yarmouth/Cape Cod/Halifax to one of the others like Stephanie Abrams or Mike Seidel.

In a slow season, you can be sure TWC will devote every resource imaginable to this one. Kind of like the NHC is doing with all the research missions actually. Everyone knows this might end up being the only chance to capture a major all season.
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Re: ATL: HURRICANE BILL (03L)

#3278 Postby massweathernet » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:03 pm

cycloneye wrote:Cantore is in Bermuda.


I stopped relying on/watching TWC MANY years ago. It's paid off in the long run. 8-)
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#3279 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:04 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:If a strong hurricane were to hit Atlantic Canada, I wonder if the major networks (i.e. TWC, CNN, Fox News, etc.) would take reporters up there? Juan was practically ignored...


Outside of central Nova Scotia, Juan wasn't really that big a deal up here. Intense, but really small windfield.
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#3280 Postby drezee » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:05 pm

wxman57 wrote:None of the models is forecasting such a negatively-tilted trof (GFS, ECMWF, Canadian). Just a rumor.

True...it is sort of like winter...the models never really pickup on that negative trough completely until that screamaing Max from Canada gets in the grid...That should happen for the 0z run...If it is stronger and longer than progged maybe...right now that is a LONG shot...closest model to this is the HIRESW NMM

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... loop.shtml
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