ATL: TROPICAL STORM BILL (03L)

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#1701 Postby caribepr » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:45 am

Thanks. We'd like some breathing space 8-)
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Re: ATL: TROPICAL STORM BILL (03L)

#1702 Postby Normandy » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:08 am

Just checked Bill out. Bill was projected to pass 14.1 N 43.7 W at 11 am this morning. Right now it is located about .5 degrees south of this forecast point. Bill passed is about 7 hours ahead of schedule speed wise and a bit south of the forecast track. Also still seems to be flying westward. It will be interesting to see when this finally crosses 14N. If it stays south of14N at the next advisory point it will be pretty far south of the current forecast track.
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#1703 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:36 am

Next advisory will be interesting to see what the NHC does with it. Very fast and south.
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#1704 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:49 am

Normandy wrote:Just checked Bill out. Bill was projected to pass 14.1 N 43.7 W at 11 am this morning. Right now it is located about .5 degrees south of this forecast point. Bill passed is about 7 hours ahead of schedule speed wise and a bit south of the forecast track. Also still seems to be flying westward. It will be interesting to see when this finally crosses 14N. If it stays south of14N at the next advisory point it will be pretty far south of the current forecast track.


Bill was not forecast to pass those points at 11 A.M.

All forecasts are synoptic time, not advisory time. It was expected to be at those points at 8 A.M. It is about 4 hours ahead of schedule, not 7
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#1705 Postby southerngale » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:57 am

000
WTNT33 KNHC 170854
TCPAT3
BULLETIN
HURRICANE BILL ADVISORY NUMBER 8
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL032009
500 AM AST MON AUG 17 2009

...BILL NOW A HURRICANE...THE FIRST OF THE 2009 ATLANTIC SEASON...

AT 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE BILL WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 13.8 NORTH...LONGITUDE 44.0 WEST OR ABOUT 1160 MILES
...1870 KM...EAST OF THE LESSER ANTILLES.

BILL IS MOVING QUICKLY TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 22 MPH...35
KM/HR...AND THIS GENERAL MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR THE
NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 75 MPH...120 KM/HR.
STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT DAY OR TWO...AND BILL
COULD BECOME A MAJOR HURRICANE BY WEDNESDAY.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 30 MILES...45 KM...FROM
THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 145
MILES...230 KM.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 987 MB...29.15 INCHES.

...SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST INFORMATION...
LOCATION...13.8N 44.0W
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...75 MPH
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WEST-NORTHWEST OR 285 DEGREES AT 22 MPH
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...987 MB

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER AT
1100 AM AST.

$$
FORECASTER KIMBERLAIN/BROWN

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000
WTNT43 KNHC 170856
TCDAT3
HURRICANE BILL DISCUSSION NUMBER 8
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL032009
500 AM AST MON AUG 17 2009

INFRARED SATELLITE PICTURES REVEAL AN IMPRESSIVE MASS OF DEEP
CONVECTION...WITH A LARGE AREA OF -70C AND EVEN -80C CLOUD
TOPS WITHIN A WELL-ORGANIZED CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST. IN
ADDITION...SEVERAL WELL-DEFINED BANDS ARE NOTED OUTSIDE OF THE
CENTRAL CONVECTIVE CORE. A 0142 UTC TRMM PASS INDICATED A DISTINCT
CONVECTIVE RING AROUND THE CENTER...ALSO SUGGESTIVE OF INCREASED
ORGANIZATION. DVORAK T-NUMBERS ARE AT 4.0 FROM TAFB AND SAB...ALONG
WITH CURRENT TRENDS...SUPPORT INCREASING THE INITIAL INTENSITY TO
65 KT. THIS MAKES BILL THE FIRST HURRICANE OF THE 2009 ATLANTIC
HURRICANE SEASON.

RECENT SATELLITE CENTER FIXES ARE LESS DOUBTFUL THAN EARLIER AND
YIELD A RATHER RAPID INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE OF 285/19. GLOBAL
MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT ON A GENERAL WEST-NORTHWEST TRACK FOR
THE NEXT DAY OR TWO...AS BILL IS STEERED BY A DEEP-LAYER RIDGE
NORTHEAST OF THE CYCLONE. HOWEVER...WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS A
WEAKNESS CURRENTLY ALONG 50W...WHICH IS FORECAST TO BEGIN ERODING A
PORTION OF THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC OVER THE
NEXT 48 HOURS. AS THE BREAK IN THE RIDGE BECOMES MORE
SUBSTANTIAL...A MAJORITY OF THE MODEL GUIDANCE TURNS BILL ON A MORE
NORTHWESTWARD COURSE LATE IN THE FORECAST PERIOD. THE ONE EXCEPTION
IS THE UKMET WHICH INSISTS ON A MORE SOUTHERN SOLUTION. THE
OFFICIAL TRACK IS INITIALLY NUDGED SLIGHTLY SOUTHWARD IN THE
SHORT-TERM TO ACCOUNT FOR A MORE CERTAIN INITIAL POSITION...BUT
LITTLE CHANGE WAS MADE TO THE PREVIOUS TRACK THEREAFTER.

BILL IS EXPECTED TO TRACK THROUGH AN ENVIRONMENT CHARACTERIZED BY
LOW SHEAR AND SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES JUST UNDER 27C THROUGH 24
HOURS. SIMILAR TO BEFORE...THE GFDL/HWRF INDICATE A NEARLY FLAT
RATE OF INTENSIFICATION FOR THE NEXT DAY OR TWO...PERHAPS
REFLECTING MARGINALLY WARM WATERS. IN SPITE OF THIS...THE SHIPS
RAPID INTENSIFICATION INDEX HAS CONTINUED FORECASTING A RATHER HIGH
PROBABILITY OF A 30 KT INTENSITY INCREASE DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
THEREAFTER...ALL INTENSITY GUIDANCE INDICATES A CONDUCIVE
ENVIRONMENT FOR STRENGTHENING...WHICH SHOULD ALLOW BILL TO BECOME A
MAJOR HURRICANE. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST FOLLOWS SUIT...CLOSEST TO
THE SHIPS MODEL GUIDANCE. TOWARD THE END OF THE FORECAST
PERIOD...SEVERAL OF THE RELIABLE GLOBAL MODELS SUGGEST INCREASING
WESTERLY SHEAR AS BILL IS SEPARATED FROM ITS FAVORABLE...UPPER-
LEVEL SUPPORT. CONSEQUENTLY...THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST
INDICATES MINOR WEAKENING NEAR THE END OF THE PERIOD.

IT APPEARS AS IF THE CENTER OF BILL WILL PASS VERY CLOSE TO NOAA
BUOY 41041 LATER THIS MORNING.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 17/0900Z 13.8N 44.0W 65 KT
12HR VT 17/1800Z 14.4N 46.4W 75 KT
24HR VT 18/0600Z 15.1N 49.0W 85 KT
36HR VT 18/1800Z 16.0N 51.6W 95 KT
48HR VT 19/0600Z 17.3N 54.0W 105 KT
72HR VT 20/0600Z 20.5N 59.0W 110 KT
96HR VT 21/0600Z 25.0N 63.5W 105 KT
120HR VT 22/0600Z 30.1N 66.5W 100 KT

$$
FORECASTER KIMBERLAIN
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#1706 Postby Evil Jeremy » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:58 am

Well, now bill is .3 degrees further west than it was supposed be 4 hours from how, and further south than it was supposed to be. I am anxious to see the new cone, and read what the discussion says about this.
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Re: ATL: HURRICANE BILL (03L)

#1707 Postby Normandy » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:59 am

Oh my bad, I just added 12 hours to the advisory time of 11AM.
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#1708 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:59 am

Interesting that the NHC went north with the track even though Bill was south of the previous track. If Bill speeds up enough, could it miss the weakness?
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#1709 Postby southerngale » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:03 am

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#1710 Postby Cyclenall » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:24 am

I also thought it was going north of due west. The NHC discussion didn't mention anything about it. The 0z HWRF puts Bermuda in the eyewall of Bill while it's either close or at category 3 intensity.
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#1711 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:55 am

The models seem to be in very good agreement with track, I doubt there is going to be much change from now, the only change that could happen is whether it hits Bermuda or not.

Convection wrapping round really well as well around the center.
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Re: ATL: HURRICANE BILL (Models)

#1712 Postby Nimbus » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:12 am

I see a weakness up around 30N -50W in the water vapor imagery but it isn't dropping south very quickly and it almost looks like Bill will be running under the east side of a building ridge?

The model consensus is a little deceiving since they all have their different reasons to explain the recurve. My guess is the trough or weakness will show up later in the forecast rather than near -60w.
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Re: ATL: HURRICANE BILL (03L)

#1713 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:17 am

Here is the bouy that NHC mentions at discussion where Bill will pass very close.Pressure is falling fast and winds picking up.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=41041
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#1714 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:25 am

The GFS now even misses Bermuda and nearly Newfoundland...just to remember NO storm has ever missed Newfoundland from how deep Bill was in latitude, so I'm a little doubtful about the new GFS runs...

Bill really wrapping itself round, steady strengthening appears to be the case with this one.
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#1715 Postby O Town » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:50 am

Bill looking strong this A.M. also looks to be right on NHCs track thus far.



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#1716 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:51 am

Yeah more or less on the forecasted track. Wil be nice to see what Bill looks lik when it pops out an eye!
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#1717 Postby jinftl » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:57 am

Unsheared developing hurricane in the atlantic during an el nino year.....shocking~

(well not really....shear changes all the time, no matter what)

O Town wrote:Bill looking strong this A.M. also looks to be right on NHCs track thus far.



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#1718 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:04 am

Yeah, besides the El Nino really isn't any stronger then it was in 2004 right now!
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#1719 Postby tolakram » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:16 am

O Town wrote:Bill looking strong this A.M. also looks to be right on NHCs track thus far.


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Keep in mind the track is updated every advisory so you'll want to capture a picture just before NHC releases their forecast. :)
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#1720 Postby KWT » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:25 am

May end up being the best looking hurricane of the season in a few days time, we shall see!
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