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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#941 Postby Nimbus » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:26 am

Should at least be good for some heavy rain here in Florida. Once a large wave spins down like this for days and days usually the area of low pressure is too broad and shallow to provide much of a pressure gradient to spin back up quickly. Maybe the models will pick it up again once it reaches the Gulf of Mexico?
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#942 Postby Honeyko » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:39 am

RL3AO wrote:If thats a TC, were talking Tracy like small...but without the cat 4 part.
The smallest tropical entity I've ever seen was Monica. The entire storm, at cat-5 equivalent strength in the northwest Gulf of Carpentaria, was scarcely any bigger than 99L is right now. Monica was basically a single hollow-tube CB rotating incredibly fast. (Later the storm expanded in coverage and weakened in strength.)

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#943 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:47 am

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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#944 Postby boca » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:55 am

The thunderstorms that were over the everglades yesterday afternoon were more intense than this big westward moving cumulus cloud.(ex99L).
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#945 Postby Emmett_Brown » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:56 am

Take a look at this loop... the last few frames look like a developing TC to me, so I agree with Honeyko that this this is developing:

http://mkwc.ifa.hawaii.edu/satellite/satanim.cgi?chnl=ir&domain=bah&res=4km&size=large&period=720&incr=30&rr=900&banner=mkwc&satplat=goeseast&overlay=off
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#946 Postby tailgater » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:57 am

This is the closest reporting station that I can find, Does someone have one closer that the system should pass near to?

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/MYEG.html
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#947 Postby RL3AO » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:57 am

Honeyko wrote:
RL3AO wrote:If thats a TC, were talking Tracy like small...but without the cat 4 part.
The smallest tropical entity I've ever seen was Monica. The entire storm, at cat-5 equivalent strength in the northwest Gulf of Carpentaria, was scarcely any bigger than 99L is right now. Monica was basically a single hollow-tube CB rotating incredibly fast. (Later the storm expanded in coverage and weakened in strength.)



Like I said. I'll take your Monica and raise you Tracy, the smallest TC ever recorded.

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Thats a category 4 cyclone making landfall near Darwin.
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#948 Postby tailgater » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:03 am

Emmett_Brown wrote:Take a look at this loop... the last few frames look like a developing TC to me, so I agree with Honeyko that this this is developing:

http://mkwc.ifa.hawaii.edu/satellite/satanim.cgi?chnl=ir&domain=bah&res=4km&size=large&period=720&incr=30&rr=900&banner=mkwc&satplat=goeseast&overlay=off

Nice loop E B If this thing is down to the surface, IMHO it will be a problem!
I say this only as a long time Gawker.
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#949 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:05 am

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#950 Postby Honeyko » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:08 am

RL3AO wrote:Like I said. I'll take your Monica and raise you Tracy, the smallest TC ever recorded.
Until Monica -- smaller and more powerful than Tracy. If you zoomed up your tiny pic of Tracy until the northern coastline matched the Monica pic, you'd see that Monica was barely two-thirds the size of Tracy.
tailgator wrote:Nice loop E B If this thing is down to the surface, IMHO it will be a problem!
The defining characteristic of 99L for the last three days has been then it's been a completely surface phenomena.
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#951 Postby Chacor » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:12 am

Tracy is the smallest known recorded cyclone. Please provide proof of your claim for Monica; this is getting close to trolling.
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#952 Postby Chacor » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:17 am

The next QuikScat update should capture this system.
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#953 Postby Emmett_Brown » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:19 am

Chacor wrote:Tracy is the smallest known recorded cyclone. Please provide proof of your claim for Monica; this is getting close to trolling.


Probably best if we stay on topic... ex 99L if it develops will likely be small, regardless of how small the Aussy TC's were. Anyway, a look at the steering flow as predicted in 24 hours by the GFS shows that steering currents begin to slacken tomorrow ahead of the next east cost trough. This may mean a slow down near or over FL:

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#954 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:19 am

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#955 Postby RL3AO » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:21 am

Visible confirms some sort of spin. Now the question is low level or mid level. Either way I'd say it deserves its invest title back.
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#956 Postby Honeyko » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:24 am

Chacor wrote:Tracy is the smallest known recorded cyclone. Please provide proof of your claim for Monica; this is getting close to trolling.
>shrug< I call it like I see it. I've seen sat pics of both. Hell, there's pics of both right in this thread, and anybody can do what I suggested themselves. Monica was also only in 2006, and I'd merely suspect nobody's bothered to sit down and deal with a comparison in any "official" record-changing capacity that, say, Wikipedia would consider "notable".
Emmett_Brown wrote:ex 99L if it develops will likely be small
Small storms grow bigger until they reach a point at which they maximize their ability to process the atmosphere of the surrounding environment. (This is one reason why Katrina became a more powerful storm despite undergoing an eyewall-replacement-cycle resulting in a larger eye.)
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#957 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:27 am

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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#958 Postby alan1961 » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:29 am

IMO if this carries on convecting it could possibly do some stalling out over the lower Bahamas or slide down over cuba..any thoughts on this?
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Re: Ex Invest 99L in Western Atlantic

#959 Postby tailgater » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:31 am

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#960 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:31 am

This system reminds me a little of 10L of 2005. But this has fighted harder then it. I'm not saying it is "it" because that would in fact be trolling and lieing at the same time. But this does look very good...I knew this sucker was going to do this when all the models where showing recurve. The environment is not nearly that as it was for you know what. So maybe a weak tropical storm could be possible.
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