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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#41 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:46 pm

The whole spaghetti for 94L:

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Anyone knows what TVCC is? Thats a wacho track from that.
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#42 Postby jaxfladude » Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:48 pm

gatorcane wrote:I think this was the strong CANE GFS had very near the East Coast of Florida in 10 days.

Stayed tuned once I'm off Fay I'll look at this one


What Fay is the just the first?
Great, :eek: sounds like a small chance of two hits of a TS/'Cane within 2/3 weeks...sounds familiar....need help to remember...


cycloneye wrote:The whole spaghetti for 94L:

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Anyone knows what TVCC is? That's a wacko track from that.

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#43 Postby mattpetre » Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:15 pm

KWT wrote:Yeah sure, here is 6hrs:

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... n_006l.gif

you can see it further west with 1009.

Now heres 36hrs out, now at 1011:

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... n_036l.gif

60hrs has it at 1010, note whats developing behind it now:

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... n_060l.gif

78hrs and 94l opens into a wave:

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... n_078l.gif

120hrs and you can see the system further east now in central Atlantic, 94L just about gone:

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... n_120l.gif

168hrs and wave behind 94l still going between 20/60:

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... n_168l.gif

Should be able to track it from there towards Florida.


Thank you KWT... looks like an active future
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#44 Postby Gustywind » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:24 pm

jaxfladude wrote:
gatorcane wrote:I think this was the strong CANE GFS had very near the East Coast of Florida in 10 days.

Stayed tuned once I'm off Fay I'll look at this one


What Fay is the just the first?
Great, :eek: sounds like a small chance of two hits of a TS/'Cane within 2/3 weeks...sounds familiar....need help to remember...


cycloneye wrote:The whole spaghetti for 94L:

Image

Anyone knows what TVCC is? That's a wacko track from that.

....The
....Verifiable
....Crazy
traCk

Hope you're right because i don't like it: The Vicious or Verifiable Crazy Cane :( :roll: :spam:
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#45 Postby jojo » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:47 pm

...and NOGAPS wants to take it back to Africa - strange models indeed.
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#46 Postby jojo » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:57 pm

Jeez, let's hope the 18z gfs lives up to its reputation as the 'beer run' - that shows a biggie heading straight for NO :eek:

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs/


/edit - sorry, this should have gone in the Fay model runs.
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#47 Postby RL3AO » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:58 pm

jojo wrote:Jeez, let's hope the 18z gfs lives up to its reputation as the 'beer run' - that shows a biggie heading straight for NO :eek:

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgengifs/



Thats Fay, not 94L.
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#48 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:50 pm

462
WHXX01 KWBC 190044
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
0044 UTC TUE AUG 19 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL942008) 20080819 0000 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080819 0000 080819 1200 080820 0000 080820 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 13.1N 36.2W 13.6N 38.2W 14.2N 40.8W 14.9N 44.0W
BAMD 13.1N 36.2W 13.7N 37.8W 14.7N 39.5W 15.9N 41.6W
BAMM 13.1N 36.2W 13.7N 38.0W 14.5N 40.1W 15.4N 42.7W
LBAR 13.1N 36.2W 13.5N 38.0W 14.0N 40.2W 14.5N 42.9W
SHIP 25KTS 31KTS 38KTS 43KTS
DSHP 25KTS 31KTS 38KTS 43KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080821 0000 080822 0000 080823 0000 080824 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 16.1N 47.5W 19.3N 55.5W 22.7N 62.8W 25.9N 68.6W
BAMD 17.6N 44.0W 21.2N 49.7W 24.2N 54.5W 26.5N 57.1W
BAMM 16.7N 45.5W 19.6N 52.0W 22.0N 58.0W 24.8N 62.8W
LBAR 15.1N 45.8W 17.0N 52.3W 19.5N 58.7W .0N .0W
SHIP 49KTS 52KTS 54KTS 57KTS
DSHP 49KTS 52KTS 54KTS 57KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 13.1N LONCUR = 36.2W DIRCUR = 280DEG SPDCUR = 9KT
LATM12 = 12.8N LONM12 = 34.4W DIRM12 = 277DEG SPDM12 = 8KT
LATM24 = 12.6N LONM24 = 32.7W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 45NM WNDM12 = 25KT
CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1013MB OUTRAD = 175NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM

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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#49 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:53 pm

Here is why the 8 PM TWO said marginal conditions.This is the 00:00 UTC SHIP Shear forecast:

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ATLANTIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST       *
                    *        GOES/OHC INPUT INCLUDED            *
                    *      INVEST  AL942008  08/19/08  00 UTC   *

TIME (HR)          0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96   108   120
V (KT) NO LAND    25    28    31    35    38    43    49    51    52    53    54    56    57
V (KT) LAND       25    28    31    35    38    43    49    51    52    53    54    56    57
V (KT) LGE mod    25    26    27    28    30    32    34    35    36    36    37    39    42

SHEAR (KTS)       10     9     9    15    23    18    21    26    19    18    18    20    17
SHEAR DIR        147   156   179   187   203   225   208   245   244   266   264   261   254
SST (C)         28.0  28.0  27.9  27.7  27.4  26.9  27.1  27.2  27.4  28.1  28.4  28.6  28.9
POT. INT. (KT)   136   136   135   133   130   125   127   129   131   140   144   147   151
ADJ. POT. INT.   132   132   132   130   126   122   125   127   127   134   136   136   138
200 MB T (C)   -53.8 -54.1 -54.0 -53.8 -53.8 -54.2 -54.0 -54.3 -54.5 -54.5 -54.3 -54.4 -53.9
TH_E DEV (C)       7     8     8     8     8     8     9     8     9     8    10     8     9
700-500 MB RH     65    61    62    60    60    55    53    50    49    52    52    58    59
GFS VTEX (KT)      7     7     7     8     9     8     9     9     7     8     6     6     6
850 MB ENV VOR    80    74    78    92    93    87    58    45    19    21    -5   -10   -21
200 MB DIV        69    50    36    33    20    27    21     2    -2    17    -9    46    25
LAND (KM)       1826  1839  1802  1740  1686  1576  1509  1493  1373  1136   902   767   774
LAT (DEG N)     13.1  13.4  13.7  14.1  14.5  15.4  16.7  18.1  19.6  20.9  22.0  23.3  24.8
LONG(DEG W)     36.2  37.1  38.0  39.1  40.1  42.7  45.5  48.7  52.0  55.2  58.0  60.6  62.8
STM SPEED (KT)     9     9    10    11    12    14    16    17    17    15    14    13    12
HEAT CONTENT      14    16    17    18    17    17    21    26    26    46    45    41    54

  FORECAST TRACK FROM BAMM      INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):280/  9      CX,CY:  -8/  2
  T-12 MAX WIND:  25            PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB):  529  (MEAN=625)
  GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV. 100-300 KM RAD:  17.4 (MEAN=20.0)
  % GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C    50-200 KM RAD:  58.0 (MEAN=68.6)

                        INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
                         6   12   18   24   36   48   60   72   84   96  108  120
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   8.   9.  10.  11.  12.  12.  13.
  SST POTENTIAL          0.   0.   0.   1.   4.   9.  15.  19.  24.  27.  30.  32.
  VERTICAL SHEAR         1.   2.   3.   3.   2.   1.  -3.  -6.  -9.  -9. -10. -10.
  PERSISTENCE            0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   0.
  200/250 MB TEMP.       0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   2.   2.   3.   3.
  THETA_E EXCESS         0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -3.  -4.  -4.  -5.  -5.
  700-500 MB RH          0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.
  GFS VORTEX TENDENCY    0.   0.   0.   1.   0.   1.   1.  -1.   0.  -2.  -2.  -3.
  850 MB ENV VORTICITY   0.   1.   1.   2.   2.   3.   3.   3.   3.   3.   2.   2.
  200 MB DIVERGENCE      0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  ZONAL STORM MOTION     0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   2.   2.   2.
  STEERING LEVEL PRES    0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   2.   1.   2.   2.   2.   2.   1.
  DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SUB-TOTAL CHANGE       2.   5.   8.  11.  17.  23.  26.  28.  30.  31.  33.  35.

  SATELLITE ADJUSTMENTS ----------------------------------------------------------
  MEAN ADJUSTMENT        0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.
  GOES IR STD DEV        1.   2.   2.   3.   3.   2.   2.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.
  GOES IR PIXEL COUNT    0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   0.
  OCEAN HEAT CONTENT     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL ADJUSTMENT       1.   1.   2.   2.   1.   1.   0.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -3.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL CHANGE (KT)      3.   6.  10.  13.  18.  24.  26.  27.  28.  29.  31.  32.

   ** 2008 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL942008     INVEST 08/19/08  00 UTC **
           ( 25 KT OR MORE MAX WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24 HR)
 
 12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT):   0.0 Range:-45.0 to  30.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.6/  1.1
 850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) :  13.1 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.7/  1.1
 D200 (10**7s-1)       :  41.6 Range:-20.0 to 149.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.4/  0.5
 POT = MPI-VMAX (KT)   : 105.5 Range: 25.1 to 130.7 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.8/  0.9
 850-700 MB REL HUM (%):  68.6 Range: 56.0 to  88.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.4/  0.2
 % area w/pixels <-30 C:  38.0 Range: 17.0 to 100.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.1
 STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP :  12.4 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.7/  0.9
 Heat content (KJ/cm2) :  16.4 Range:  0.0 to 132.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.1/  0.0
 
 Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold=    23% is   1.9 times the sample mean(12.3%)
 Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold=    15% is   2.0 times the sample mean( 7.8%)
 Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold=     8% is   1.8 times the sample mean( 4.5%)
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#50 Postby ftolmsteen » Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:02 pm

My money is on the TVCC model.
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#51 Postby dmaui » Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:06 pm

jojo wrote:...and NOGAPS wants to take it back to Africa - strange models indeed.


At this point, I :28: NOGAPS. GDFL is NOT my friend.
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#52 Postby Patrick99 » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:06 pm

At this point, if we've learned anything, you might as well not even pay any attention to the models, with a not-yet-classified system.
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#53 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:00 am

461
WHXX04 KWBC 190530
CHGQLM
ATTENTION...NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

NCEP COUPLED GFDL HURRICANE MODEL FORECAST MADE FOR

TROPICAL DEPRESSION INVEST 94L

INITIAL TIME 0Z AUG 19

DISCLAIMER ... THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE. IT
REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY HURRICANE SPECIALISTS AND SHOULD
NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT. PLEASE SEE THE TPC/NHC
OFFICIAL FORECAST.


FORECAST STORM POSITION

HOUR LATITUDE LONGITUDE HEADING/SPEED(KT)

0 13.1 36.1 280./ 8.9
6 13.1 36.8 272./ 6.8
12 13.7 38.3 291./15.3
18 13.9 39.5 282./11.4
24 14.0 40.7 276./12.2
30 14.0 42.2 267./15.0
36 14.1 43.7 276./14.1
42 14.5 45.6 282./18.8
48 15.1 47.5 289./19.1
54 15.4 49.3 278./18.3
60 15.8 51.1 282./17.0
66 16.5 53.2 290./21.6
72 16.9 54.9 281./16.4
78 17.3 56.8 283./18.7
84 17.5 58.5 276./16.8
90 18.0 60.2 286./16.1
96 18.4 61.7 286./15.0
102 18.9 63.1 287./14.0
108 19.5 64.7 291./16.6
114 20.4 66.0 304./15.4
120 20.8 67.3 287./12.7
126 21.3 68.2 300./ 9.6
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#54 Postby cycloneye » Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:35 am

976
WHXX04 KWBC 191127
CHGQLM
ATTENTION...NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

NCEP COUPLED GFDL HURRICANE MODEL FORECAST MADE FOR

TROPICAL DEPRESSION INVEST 94L

INITIAL TIME 6Z AUG 19

DISCLAIMER ... THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE. IT
REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY HURRICANE SPECIALISTS AND SHOULD
NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT. PLEASE SEE THE TPC/NHC
OFFICIAL FORECAST.


FORECAST STORM POSITION

HOUR LATITUDE LONGITUDE HEADING/SPEED(KT)

0 13.0 37.0 275./ 8.9
6 13.5 37.5 316./ 7.2
12 13.8 39.0 281./14.3
18 13.8 40.5 272./14.7
24 14.1 42.1 278./15.8
30 14.1 43.8 271./16.7
36 14.1 45.5 272./16.3
42 14.7 47.2 288./17.5
48 15.3 49.1 288./19.4
54 15.8 51.1 284./19.7
60 16.2 53.3 279./21.3
66 16.4 55.3 276./19.6
72 16.5 56.9 274./15.4
78 16.9 58.5 283./15.7
84 17.3 60.1 284./16.3
90 17.5 61.7 279./14.6
96 18.0 63.5 284./18.2
102 18.4 64.8 288./12.9
108 19.2 66.1 301./14.7
114 19.6 67.7 283./15.6
120 20.4 68.6 312./11.8
126 20.8 69.5 292./ 9.0
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#55 Postby cycloneye » Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:35 am

Hmmm,SHIP now increases intensity to hurricane.

WHXX01 KWBC 191226
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1226 UTC TUE AUG 19 2008

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL942008) 20080819 1200 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
080819 1200 080820 0000 080820 1200 080821 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 12.5N 37.2W 13.0N 39.3W 13.6N 42.0W 14.5N 45.3W
BAMD 12.5N 37.2W 13.2N 38.6W 14.0N 40.5W 14.7N 42.8W
BAMM 12.5N 37.2W 13.2N 38.9W 13.7N 41.1W 14.4N 43.6W
LBAR 12.5N 37.2W 12.8N 38.6W 13.1N 40.5W 13.6N 43.1W
SHIP 25KTS 31KTS 38KTS 46KTS
DSHP 25KTS 31KTS 38KTS 46KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
080821 1200 080822 1200 080823 1200 080824 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 15.8N 49.1W 19.3N 56.9W 22.2N 64.9W 25.8N 70.4W
BAMD 15.5N 45.6W 17.3N 51.5W 18.5N 57.7W 19.2N 63.8W
BAMM 15.0N 46.6W 16.8N 52.6W 17.9N 58.5W 18.8N 64.3W
LBAR 14.2N 46.2W 16.0N 53.0W 18.3N 59.2W .0N .0W
SHIP 54KTS 69KTS 77KTS 81KTS
DSHP 54KTS 69KTS 77KTS 81KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 12.5N LONCUR = 37.2W DIRCUR = 280DEG SPDCUR = 6KT
LATM12 = 12.3N LONM12 = 36.0W DIRM12 = 280DEG SPDM12 = 6KT
LATM24 = 12.8N LONM24 = 34.4W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 45NM WNDM12 = 25KT
CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1013MB OUTRAD = 175NM SDEPTH = M
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM

$$
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#56 Postby cycloneye » Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:37 am

This is why SHIP makes it a hurricane.They changed from moderate shear to light shear:

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                *   ATLANTIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST       *
                    *        GOES/OHC INPUT INCLUDED            *
                    *      INVEST  AL942008  08/19/08  12 UTC   *

TIME (HR)          0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96   108   120
V (KT) NO LAND    25    28    31    35    38    46    54    62    69    73    77    80    81
V (KT) LAND       25    28    31    35    38    46    54    62    69    73    77    80    81
V (KT) LGE mod    25    26    27    29    31    35    40    47    55    64    74    83    88

SHEAR (KTS)        4     6    10     9    10     9     8     5     0     6     5     4    11
SHEAR DIR        153   158   170   211   234   195   266   172     4   148    34   112    69
SST (C)         28.2  28.1  28.0  27.8  27.5  27.3  27.6  27.7  27.8  28.2  28.4  28.5  28.7
POT. INT. (KT)   139   138   137   134   131   129   133   135   136   141   144   145   148
ADJ. POT. INT.   134   134   133   132   129   127   133   133   133   137   141   141   143
200 MB T (C)   -53.9 -53.7 -53.8 -54.1 -54.1 -54.1 -54.3 -53.9 -53.8 -53.7 -54.0 -53.5 -53.6
TH_E DEV (C)       8     9     9     9     9     9     9     9     9    10     9    10    10
700-500 MB RH     65    63    65    63    57    53    46    46    48    45    51    47    50
GFS VTEX (KT)      0  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST  LOST
850 MB ENV VOR    67    78    85    89    74    76    70    40    39    22    27    14    26
200 MB DIV        34    37    40    36    30    27    14     8    20   -13    -4   -34   -10
LAND (KM)       1739  1743  1690  1615  1546  1428  1286  1241  1125   951   761   453   157
LAT (DEG N)     12.5  12.9  13.2  13.5  13.7  14.4  15.0  16.0  16.8  17.5  17.9  18.4  18.8
LONG(DEG W)     37.2  38.1  38.9  40.0  41.1  43.6  46.6  49.6  52.6  55.5  58.5  61.4  64.3
STM SPEED (KT)     8     9    10    11    12    13    15    15    15    14    14    14    13
HEAT CONTENT      19    20    21    21    17    18    28    48    50    57    61    62    58

  FORECAST TRACK FROM BAMM      INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):280/  6      CX,CY:  -5/  1
  T-12 MAX WIND:  25            PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB):  563  (MEAN=625)
  GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV. 100-300 KM RAD:  12.8 (MEAN=20.0)
  % GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C    50-200 KM RAD:  58.0 (MEAN=68.6)

                        INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
                         6   12   18   24   36   48   60   72   84   96  108  120
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE     1.   2.   3.   4.   6.   8.   9.  10.  11.  12.  12.  13.
  SST POTENTIAL          0.   0.   0.   1.   5.  10.  16.  21.  25.  29.  32.  34.
  VERTICAL SHEAR         1.   2.   4.   5.   7.   8.  10.  12.  13.  14.  14.  14.
  PERSISTENCE            0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.   0.   0.
  200/250 MB TEMP.       0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   2.   2.   2.
  THETA_E EXCESS         0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -3.  -4.  -4.  -4.
  700-500 MB RH          0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.
  GFS VORTEX TENDENCY    0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.  -2.
  850 MB ENV VORTICITY   0.   1.   1.   1.   2.   3.   3.   3.   3.   3.   3.   3.
  200 MB DIVERGENCE      0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   0.   0.  -1.  -2.
  ZONAL STORM MOTION     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
  STEERING LEVEL PRES    0.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.   1.
  DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  SUB-TOTAL CHANGE       2.   5.   8.  11.  19.  28.  37.  45.  50.  54.  57.  58.

  SATELLITE ADJUSTMENTS ----------------------------------------------------------
  MEAN ADJUSTMENT        0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -2.
  GOES IR STD DEV        1.   2.   3.   3.   3.   2.   2.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.
  GOES IR PIXEL COUNT    0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.   0.   0.   0.   1.   1.   1.   0.
  OCEAN HEAT CONTENT     0.   0.   0.   0.   0.   0.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.  -1.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL ADJUSTMENT       1.   1.   2.   2.   2.   1.   0.  -1.  -2.  -2.  -2.  -3.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------
  TOTAL CHANGE (KT)      3.   6.  10.  13.  21.  29.  37.  44.  48.  52.  55.  56.

   ** 2008 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL942008     INVEST 08/19/08  12 UTC **
           ( 25 KT OR MORE MAX WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24 HR)
 
 12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT):   0.0 Range:-45.0 to  30.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.6/  1.1
 850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) :   8.0 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.9/  1.4
 D200 (10**7s-1)       :  35.4 Range:-20.0 to 149.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.5
 POT = MPI-VMAX (KT)   : 107.2 Range: 25.1 to 130.7 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.8/  0.9
 850-700 MB REL HUM (%):  69.6 Range: 56.0 to  88.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.4/  0.2
 % area w/pixels <-30 C:  43.0 Range: 17.0 to 100.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.3/  0.1
 STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP :   8.5 Range: 35.1 to   3.2 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.8/  1.1
 Heat content (KJ/cm2) :  19.6 Range:  0.0 to 132.0 Scaled/Wgted Val:  0.1/  0.0
 
 Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold=    37% is   3.0 times the sample mean(12.3%)
 Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold=    25% is   3.2 times the sample mean( 7.8%)
 Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold=    11% is   2.3 times the sample mean( 4.5%)

   ##         ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL942008     INVEST 08/19/08  12 UTC         ##
   ## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=4 NFAIL=3                          ##
   ## AHI=  0   (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##
   ##     ANNULAR INDEX RAN NORMALLY   
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#57 Postby Meso » Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:49 am

The SHIPS has been absolutely useless with the shear forecasts lately, so I don't think I'll trust it this time (especially when NHC says otherwise).Though if it is right, this storm could get going.
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#58 Postby Sanibel » Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:17 pm

Models took Fay in recurve in front of Florida but then went left when it got closer.
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Re: ATL: Invest 94L in East Atlantic Model Runs

#59 Postby cycloneye » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:02 pm

12z UKMET is with 94L:

NEW TROPICAL STORM FORECAST TO DEVELOP AFTER 36 HOURS

FORECAST POSITION AT T+ 36 : 11.5N 35.7W



VERIFYING TIME POSITION STRENGTH TENDENCY

-------------- -------- -------- --------

00UTC 21.08.2008 11.5N 35.7W WEAK

12UTC 21.08.2008 11.1N 36.3W WEAK INTENSIFYING RAPIDLY

00UTC 22.08.2008 13.7N 34.8W WEAK WEAKENING SLIGHTLY

12UTC 22.08.2008 15.3N 37.4W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

00UTC 23.08.2008 16.3N 40.7W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

12UTC 23.08.2008 17.0N 44.3W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

00UTC 24.08.2008 17.9N 48.2W WEAK WEAKENING SLIGHTLY

12UTC 24.08.2008 18.8N 52.0W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE

00UTC 25.08.2008 19.3N 55.5W WEAK WEAKENING SLIGHTLY

12UTC 25.08.2008 BELOW TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH
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#60 Postby RL3AO » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:06 pm

I've been thinking. If the models are building in this uber ridge that steers Fay back west, I don't see how this would recurve. Am I missing something?
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