Hurricane NOEL : Discussions & Images

[destruction92]

Well gosh. I don't think this is a big mystery. If there were people on this board from Asia etc. then we'd be more tied in to those systems. I know I would. However, this board DOES have some long time people from the islands of the Caribbean, so we do tend to raise our tiny heads on occasion...this is one of those occasions. Silly us! Does compassion have lines of demarcation? I didn't know!

I think its safe to say that this board represents more people from the mainland U.S. than anywhere else. And, I do think that this board probably has people from continents other than North and South America.
I think you just answered your own question...compassion does have lines of demarcation according to that first statement:
"If there were people on this board from Asia etc. then we'd be more tied in to those systems."
"Does compassion have lines of demarcation?"
Naturally, we should worry about people anywhere, whether they are related to us or not. But when we do not give equal concern to others, especially our own country (the U.S.), then I think that it is unfortunate.
Whatever, I still think Haiti is going to face exponentially more death and destruction than Puerto Rico.

[MiamiensisWx]

Your right...I never read your posts.

What do you think about Noel stalling? Does that seem plausible right now...look at the visible loop and tell me what you think. http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-vis.html

Personally, I would expect a slow movement (500 mb steering currents are weak), but I don't believe Noel will stall. I think it may drift NNW/NW in tandem with the adjacent upper low's slow westward movement. A brief WNW motion could occur when Noel moves closer to Hispaniola, but this factor may depend on the upper low's placement. There is a weak 500 mb ridge over the cyclone, which supports marginal steering currents. I do agree that it may be quite lethargic.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-vis.html

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-wv.html

[boca]

Does anyone have a logical reason why Noel is moving NNW into a powerful high and not moving west.

[ExBailbonds]

I am pretty certain that Noel has stalled as of now...this may have big implications for its future track.

The next advisory will probably go from stating "NNW at 4 mph" to "drifting NNW".

To my untrained eye the convection is drifting nnw and the llc is drifting wnw.

[MiamiensisWx]

Does anyone have a logical reason why Noel is moving NNW into a powerful high and not moving west.

"500 mb steering currents are weak, but I don't believe Noel will stall. I think it may drift NNW/NW in tandem with the adjacent upper low's slow westward movement. A brief WNW motion could occur when Noel moves closer to Hispaniola, but this factor may depend on the upper low's placement. There is a weak 500 mb ridge over the cyclone, which supports marginal steering currents. I do agree that it may be quite lethargic.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-vis.html

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-wv.html"

The NNW motion is related to the upper low WNW of Noel.

[caribepr]

Well gosh. I don't think this is a big mystery. If there were people on this board from Asia etc. then we'd be more tied in to those systems. I know I would. However, this board DOES have some long time people from the islands of the Caribbean, so we do tend to raise our tiny heads on occasion...this is one of those occasions. Silly us! Does compassion have lines of demarcation? I didn't know!

I think its safe to say that this board represents more people from the mainland U.S. than anywhere else. And, I do think that this board probably has people from continents other than North and South America.
I think you just answered your own question...compassion does have lines of demarcation according to that first statement:
"If there were people on this board from Asia etc. then we'd be more tied in to those systems."
"Does compassion have lines of demarcation?"
Naturally, we should worry about people anywhere, whether they are related to us or not. But when we do not give equal concern to others, especially our own country (the U.S.), then I think that it is unfortunate.
Whatever, I still think Haiti is going to face exponentially more death and destruction than Puerto Rico.

check your pm's

[Bgator]

Can a promet, or someone give me a reason how this is going nnw. Is there a weakness for it to go to at this moment?

[MiamiensisWx]

Can people actually stop and look carefully for the answer? I posted the solution on two consecutive occasions!

The UPPER LOW WNW of Noel has been influencing the NNW movement.

Look at WV loops.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-wv.html

[chadtm80]

[storms in NC]

:uarrow: I'm not thankful because we need the rain really bad. Noel could have saved us from more strict water rules as the dry season gets hold.

We could use the rain too. Raleigh has about a 90 day water supply left from what I was told Friday. We did get some rain but it wasn't drop in the bucket for what we need here. So a storm would be very nice here. I have a well and it is starting to spit water out. Air in the lines cause the water table is so so low.

I would love to have it turn and come up the coast. But not going to happen. The front will take it on out to sea.JIMO

Deb

[NcentralFlaguy]

Can a promet, or someone give me a reason how this is going nnw. Is there a weakness for it to go to at this moment?

Im certainly no promet, but I believe it is the ull to the wnw that is temporarily kind of pulling the system to the nnw. the 5pm discussion also mentioned the high was weakening in response to the advancing trough. i dont see that though, but like I said im no pro met.

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

Well gosh. I don't think this is a big mystery. If there were people on this board from Asia etc. then we'd be more tied in to those systems. I know I would. However, this board DOES have some long time people from the islands of the Caribbean, so we do tend to raise our tiny heads on occasion...this is one of those occasions. Silly us! Does compassion have lines of demarcation? I didn't know!

I think its safe to say that this board represents more people from the mainland U.S. than anywhere else. And, I do think that this board probably has people from continents other than North and South America.
I think you just answered your own question...compassion does have lines of demarcation according to that first statement:
"If there were people on this board from Asia etc. then we'd be more tied in to those systems."
"Does compassion have lines of demarcation?"
Naturally, we should worry about people anywhere, whether they are related to us or not. But when we do not give equal concern to others, especially our own country (the U.S.), then I think that it is unfortunate.
Whatever, I still think Haiti is going to face exponentially more death and destruction than Puerto Rico.

Destruction92 I will agree with you that if a storm isn't impacting or hitting your area
you will care less about it.

And we still do have compassion for others.<--- I say that so that no one calls me
uncompassionate for crazy reasons.

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

Seemed to be jogging west a bit earlier. Now almost
stationary.

[fci]

Well this conversation is certainly getting out of control.

My $.02:

We all have compassion for those who suffer from natural disasters.
The focus for members of S2K is on the areas of direct concern for the members of S2K.
Many of us feel close to other members of S2K so we tend to pay attention and feel for those who are our friends here on S2K.

Therefore, speaking for myself; I feel compassion for those affected by Dean and Felix and those who face calamity after calamity in Hispanola (DR and Haiti). BUT, I feel it much more personally for where I live; in the CONUS and for my S2K friends in The Islands. PR, British VI, US Virgin Islands, Guadalupe, etc... where very nice people who I consider S2K friends live.

I truly don't think that there are S2K members who are callous enough to not care about Mexico and Hispanola. I just think that we feel it personally when it effects people we know.

[HUC]

In french language( that's a french name ),the prononciation is : no-help,but withought the p....

[HURAKAN]

BACK TO NOEL:

[destruction92]

BACK TO NOEL:

HOLY CRAP...just looking at the IR would seem to suggest NOEL maybe pushed east.

[NcentralFlaguy]

Nice little "pop" of convection very near or over the center

[storms in NC]

south Florida is not in a drought. Our rain totals (at least Dade) are not that far from normal.

The Lake is suffering ebcause of pathetic management, not due to nature

Aman. They didn't have to open up the gates. We are in a drought in NC. The farms have lost Big time. My well is getting low. We just had some rain. 3 ins in 3 days. But that is not going to help. But is a start.

But this TS will be going out to sea with the front. But like some one said The islands need our prayers right now.

[NcentralFlaguy]

What would have caused this to stall? anyone....anyone