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#181 Postby Gustywind » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:27 am

000
FXCA62 TJSJ 260929
AFDSJU

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
529 AM AST FRI OCT 26 2007

.SYNOPSIS...MID OCEANIC TROUGH ALIGNED NE TO SW AND EXTENDS SW TO
JUST NORTH OF THE LOCAL AREA THIS MORNING...AND CONTINUES TO DIG
SW. THIS HAS FORCED THE OLD LINGERING TUTT SEGMENT SW ACROSS THE
LOCAL AREA OVERNIGHT. A RATHER VIGOROUS LLVL LOW EVIDENT IN STLT
IMAGERY HAS ALSO BEEN FORCED WSW OVERNIGHT...AND WAS ACROSS ERN PR
AT 08Z WITH A NE TO SW ALIGNED WIND ENVELOPE. SAN JUAN 88D RADAR
HOWEVER HAS SHOWN THAT CENTER OF THIS LLVL CIRCULATION HAS PASSED
JUST S OF VIEQUES OVERNIGHT AND WAS ALONG THE SE COAST OF PR
MOVING WSW AT 7 KT...BUT LOOKS TO BE MOVING MORE W IN THE PAST
HOUR OR SO.

&&

.DISCUSSION...PRESSURE GRADIENT ACROSS THE REGION AND VIGOROUS
TURNING OF LLVL LOW HAS SPREAD STRONG NELY WINDS INTO THE LOCAL
ATLC WATERS OVERNIGHT...AND ACROSS N AND NE HALF OF PR. TJUA
SHOWED VWP WINDS AS HIGH AS 40KT AT 4K FT OVERNIGHT...WITH
SUSTAINED WINDS 20 KT AT TJBQ...AND GUSTS IN THE UPPER 20S
ELSEWHERE. DUE TO INTERACTION OF UPPER LOW AND LLVL CIRC AND
INDUCED VERTICAL SHEAR...DEEPEST CNVTN AND MOST WIDESPREAD WEATHER
IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN ON E AND SE QUADS OF THIS LOW AS IT
CONTINUES TO MOVE W OR WSW TODAY AND TONIGHT. SPEED DIVERGENCE
ALOFT WILL AID IN POTENTIAL FOR CONTINUED MCC DEVELOPMENT ACROSS
THE NE CARIB...INCLUDING LEEWARD AND VIRGIN ISLANDS...WITH BRIEF
BURSTS LIKELY ACROSS E HALF OF PR. HEAVY RAIN POTENTIAL THUS
EXISTS AND HAVE ISSUED A FLASH FLOOD WATCH FOR ALL BUT W SECTIONS
OF PR. ST CROIX WAS HIT WITH TRAINING ECHOS IN A SW TO NE ALIGNED
RAINBAND OVERNIGHT...AND LIKELY SAW 2-4 INCH TOTALS IN ABOUT 2
HOURS...AND A FLASH FLOOD WARNING WAS ISSUED.

MODEL GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THAT ABUNDANT TROPICAL MOISTURE WILL
SPREAD W AND NW ACROSS THE LOCAL AREA THROUGH THE WEEKEND...AND
THEN MORE SHALLOW MOISTURE THROUGH TUESDAY...TO MAINTAIN GOOD RAIN
CHANCES. THE COMPLEX UPPER TROUGHING WILL ALSO SHIFT SW AND
REORGANIZE ACROSS THE REGION TO MAINTAIN UNSTABLE CONDITOINS ALOFT.

&&

.AVIATION...SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE TO AFFECT TNCM...TKPK...TJSJ...
TIST AND TISX DURING THE REST OF THE MORNING HOURS. LATER IN THE
MORNING WILL SPREAD TO THE WEST ACROSS TJPS AND EARLY IN THE
AFTERNOON ACROSS TJMZ AND TJBQ. EXPECT MOSTLY MVFR CONDITIONS WITH
THESE SHOWERS...WITH OCCASIONAL VFR CONDITIONS IN BETWEEN SHOWERS.
IN ADDITION...ISOLATED PASSING THUNDERSTORMS MAY RESULT IN BRIEF
IFR CONDITIONS...ESPECIALLY ACROSS TIST...TISX...AND TSJU THROUGH
THE EARLY MORNING HOURS...WITH WIND GUSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE
THUNDERSTORMS AS HIGH AS 35 KNOTS. WITH LINGERING MOISTURE AND
INSTABILITY EXPECTED ACROSS THE REGION TODAY...EXPECT CONTINUED
PERIODS OF MVFR CONDITIONS WITH PASSING SHOWERS FOR ALL THE TAF
SITES THROUGH THE AFTERNOON HOURS...WITH DECREASING WINDS LATE
THIS EVENING AND OVERNIGHT.

&&

.MARINE...U.S.C.G. RELAYED A SHIP REPORT NEAR THE N BOUNDARY OF
OUR ATLC WATERS OF 30 KT AND 10 FT SEAS OVERNIGHT...WHILE SHIP
ZCDG8 REPORTED 40 AND 45 KTS WHILE PASSING JUST NORTH OF PR
EARLIER TONIGHT...WITH THOSE OBS LIKELY WELL ABOUT THE STANDARD
10M OBS. A 01Z ASCAT PASS SHOWED A BROAD ZONE OF 20-25KT WINDS
ACROSS THE LOCAL ATLC...WITH UPPER 20S NORTH OF THE VIRGIN
ISLANDS. HAVE THUS KEPT ATLC WINDS 24-30 KT THROUGH THIS MORNING
AND SEAS MAXED AT 10 FT. THESE ROUGH AND DANGEROUS SEAS WILL
CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE DAY BEFORE BEGINNING TO SUBSIDE
TONIGHT...AND THEN BE OVERTAKEN BY LONGER PERIOD NELY SWELL FROM
THE SURFACE REFLECTION OF MID OCEANIC TROF. THIS WILL MAINTAIN HIGH
SEAS ACROSS THE REGIONAL WATERS THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF THE
UPCOMING WEEK. STRONG LLVL FLOW IN NW AND N QUADS OF THIS LOW WILL
BE CAPABLE OF INDUCING GUSTS IN SQUALLS TO 45 KT AND HAVE INCLUDED
THIS IN OVERNIGHT STATEMENTS AND LATEST FORECAST.

&&

.HYDROLOGY...WITH RECENT RAINS PRODUCING SOILS AT OR NEAR
SATURATION ACROSS LARGE AREAS OF THE INTERIOR AND WEST OF PR...
FLASH FLOODING AND MUDSLIDES ARE A GOOD POSSIBILITY TODAY FOR THE
E TWO-THIRDS OF THE ISLAND. THE VIRGIN ISLANDS...CULEBRA AND
VIEQUES... WILL CONTINUE TO BE HIT WITH DEEP CNVTV CELLS TODAY AS
WELL...AND THEY ARE ALSO UNDER THE FLASH FLOOD WATCH. MUDSLIDES
HAVE BEEN REPORTED ACROSS PR THE PAST TWO DAYS. IF HEAVY RAINFALL
CONTINUES TO AFFECT PR THRU SATURDAY...AND THEN IN MORE ISOLATED
AREAS SUN THROUGH TUE...THEN MUDSLIDE...NOT TO MENTION FLASH
FLOODING PROBLEMS COULD PERSIST. IF THESE HIGH TOPPED TSTORM
CLUSTERS OCCURRING OVER THE NE CARIB THIS MORNING SHIFT W AND NW
INTO THE LOCAL ISLANDS...ISOLATED AREAS OF 3-5 INCH RAINS WILL BE
SEEN IN 3-6 HR PERIODS.

&&

.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...
SJU 84 77 87 77 / 70 80 70 30
STT 82 78 84 78 / 70 70 70 50

&&

.SJU WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
PR...FLASH FLOOD WATCH THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON FOR CENTRAL INTERIOR-
CULEBRA-EASTERN INTERIOR-NORTH CENTRAL-NORTHEAST-PONCE AND
VICINITY-SAN JUAN AND VICINITY-SOUTHEAST-VIEQUES-WESTERN
INTERIOR.

WIND ADVISORY UNTIL 10 AM AST THIS MORNING FOR CENTRAL INTERIOR-
EASTERN INTERIOR-MAYAGUEZ AND VICINITY-NORTH CENTRAL-
NORTHEAST-NORTHWEST-PONCE AND VICINITY-SAN JUAN AND
VICINITY-SOUTHEAST-WESTERN INTERIOR.

VI...FLASH FLOOD WATCH THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON FOR ST CROIX-ST. THOMAS
ST. JOHN AND ADJACENT ISLANDS.

&&

$$

72/70

Woww there's maybe some action in store given this forecast...hope you're safe Cycloneye :) and all the residents in vicinity of Puerto Rico, i've heard that there's numerous muslides in your island...so keep watching this system closely :wink: .
Whereas , us in Guadeloupe have overcast moist and grey weather with light showers this morning at 8AM but given the latest forecasts we should experience some moderate to strong showers with scattered thunderstorms in the next few hours for Guadeloupe but much more for the NE Leewards...and Meteo France have put an yellow alert for a moderate risk of strong showers and moderate
thunderstorms expected today for St Marteen and St Barth... :double: :cheesy:
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Re: INVEST 90L Near Puerto Rico : Discussions & Images

#182 Postby cycloneye » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:29 am

26/1145 UTC 17.5N 66.7W T1.5/1.5 90L -- Atlantic Ocean
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Re: INVEST 90L Near Puerto Rico : Discussions & Images

#183 Postby Thunder44 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:32 am

There may be some refomation of the LLC further to the SE of the old one. The lowest pressure around 5am and 6am EDT that I can find was in Ponce of 1004mb with calm winds with light rain reported. Then at 7am the pressure rose 1005mb to winds picked up out of the ENE at 14mph with light rain and thunder being reported:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/TJPS.html

On visible imagery, the MLC appears to tighting up over the Anegada Passage. This may be an attempt by the system to get better organized.
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Re: INVEST 90L Near Puerto Rico : Discussions & Images

#184 Postby cycloneye » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:35 am

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Yes Thunder44,it looks like that is occuring.
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#185 Postby Gustywind » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:38 am

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#186 Postby Chacor » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:40 am

ATCF for 12z says 25 kts 1004 mbar LOW, not yet a TD.
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Re: INVEST 90L Models Thread

#187 Postby boca » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:40 am

ronjon wrote:
boca wrote:None of the Florida NWS offices are concerned about it. They are saying that the gradient will be tight because of lower pressure in the Caribbean and high pressure over the Ohio Valley will provide a long fetch of easterly winds. I think this will be a Yucatan issue not Florida.This goes against climotology.



Actually, it's been mentioned in the AFDs for Melbourne and Tallahassee the last couple of days (I posted the discussions on the thread prior to it becoming 90L). 00Z Euro brings it to S FL in 7 days so it's at the margin of NWS long range outlooks - in addition, they play it pretty conservatively until it's within the 3-5 day range.


I would think that the strong high pressure would keep this surpressed and moving west bound in the Cariibbean. I don't see any cold fronts that would turn it towards Florida.
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Re: INVEST 90L Models Thread

#188 Postby cycloneye » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:41 am

WHXX01 KWBC 261236
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1236 UTC FRI OCT 26 2007

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL902007) 20071026 1200 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
071026 1200 071027 0000 071027 1200 071028 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 17.5N 67.0W 18.0N 69.1W 18.5N 71.8W 19.1N 74.6W
BAMD 17.5N 67.0W 17.1N 68.0W 17.2N 69.3W 17.9N 70.5W
BAMM 17.5N 67.0W 17.5N 68.7W 17.7N 70.9W 18.4N 73.0W
LBAR 17.5N 67.0W 17.2N 68.8W 17.7N 70.8W 18.9N 73.3W
SHIP 25KTS 28KTS 32KTS 37KTS
DSHP 25KTS 28KTS 32KTS 34KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
071028 1200 071029 1200 071030 1200 071031 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 19.6N 77.3W 19.9N 81.9W 19.4N 85.1W 18.5N 88.2W
BAMD 18.8N 71.5W 20.3N 72.9W 22.4N 73.6W 23.7N 71.2W
BAMM 19.0N 74.9W 20.2N 78.2W 21.5N 80.8W 22.3N 83.8W
LBAR 19.5N 74.4W 22.7N 77.0W 25.8N 75.6W 27.5N 70.7W
SHIP 43KTS 56KTS 62KTS 57KTS
DSHP 39KTS 50KTS 56KTS 46KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 17.5N LONCUR = 67.0W DIRCUR = 240DEG SPDCUR = 11KT
LATM12 = 18.8N LONM12 = 64.8W DIRM12 = 241DEG SPDM12 = 9KT
LATM24 = 19.2N LONM24 = 63.4W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 100NM WNDM12 = 25KT
CENPRS = 1004MB OUTPRS = 1008MB OUTRAD = 200NM SDEPTH = M
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM
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Re: INVEST 90L Models Thread

#189 Postby gatorcane » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:42 am

Boy oh Boy this is getting interesting. I can't believe that I have to be somewhat concerned about this system as the Euro has joined the CMC now in bringing the system into South Florida.....still far out and anything can happen.....

But something tells me alot of people in Florida have written this season off......and probably have no idea what is unfolding right now.

and for any sort of high pressure pushing this into Central America, its very unlikely given the time of year.

I challenge somebody to give me paths that hit central America this late in the season...given the origins of where this system is forming...

If anything I would say an eventual sharp turn out to sea or it will fizzle before it has a chance to threaten the GOM or FL.
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#190 Postby Gustywind » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:47 am

I check you the radar Cycloneye, there's some moderate precipitation on my island given the radar, and right now i have some moderate showers it's cooler too 24-23°c... :cold: lool but moist 94%.
http://www.meteo.fr/temps/domtom/antill ... SAIC2.html
If you want to see the radar...
http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/TFFR.html
Latest conditions in Guadeloupe at 8am pressure at 1011 hpa, but note that we have a lowest at 2am at 1008 hpa :eek: :roll: until 4am with south wind and from East at 4am.
Wet weather conditions along this day take you umbrella.. :cheesy:
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Re: INVEST 90L Near Puerto Rico : Discussions & Images

#191 Postby cycloneye » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:49 am

:uarrow: We have a thread at the top of forum for all of us who live in the Caribbean to post the observations. :)
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Re: INVEST 90L Near Puerto Rico : Discussions & Images

#192 Postby boca » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:54 am

It looks like the low is just skirting the southern coast of Puerto Rico right now. It is hard to tell if that is in fact the low.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-vis.html
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Re: INVEST 90L Models Thread=12:00 UTC BAM Models at page 3

#193 Postby ronjon » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:56 am

Ok we are now starting to get pretty good model consensus of a system making its way into the NW caribbean sea in 3-5 days and then eventually moving N and then NE across south or central FL. The 06Z GFS brings the system to a position in the southern GOM just north of the Yucutan in a week while the 00Z Euro has the system moving north off the western tip of Cuba. The GFS, because it slowly moves the low further NW, brings the system across central or south-central FL. The Euro brings it across extreme S FL. It looks like a strong cold front will be coming into the GOM about a week from now and this track will be strongly influenced by that front - along with possibly shearing the system strongly at that time.
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Re: INVEST 90L Near Puerto Rico : Discussions & Images

#194 Postby Gustywind » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:00 am

cycloneye wrote::uarrow: We have a thread at the top of forum for all of us who live in the Caribbean to post the observations. :)


Yeah tkanks i forgot that, whereas i've put some observations Cycloneye all my apologizes Luis :oops: :eek: :cheesy: 8-)
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Re: INVEST 90L Models Thread=12:00 UTC BAM Models at page 3

#195 Postby gatorcane » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:01 am

ronjon wrote:Ok we are now starting to get pretty good model consensus of a system making its way into the NW caribbean sea in 3-5 days and then eventually moving N and then NE across south or central FL. The 06Z GFS brings the system to a position in the southern GOM just north of the Yucutan in a week while the 00Z Euro has the system moving north off the western tip of Cuba. The GFS, because it slowly moves the low further NW, brings the system across central or south-central FL. The Euro brings it across extreme S FL. It looks like a strong cold front will be coming into the GOM about a week from now and this track will be strongly influenced by that front - along with possibly shearing the system strongly at that time.


Yes, that scenario makes more sense -- IF it pans out we all here in FL will hope for a SHEARED system....
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#196 Postby Vortex » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:09 am

could become at least a minimal hurricane in the NW carribean next week...The Keys, SFL, and the Westrn Bahamas will at least experience a prolonged period of winds ranging from 20-30kts and squally weather late Monday through mid-week.
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Re: INVEST 90L Models Thread=12:00 UTC BAM Models at page 3

#197 Postby ronjon » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:29 am

gatorcane wrote:
ronjon wrote:Ok we are now starting to get pretty good model consensus of a system making its way into the NW caribbean sea in 3-5 days and then eventually moving N and then NE across south or central FL. The 06Z GFS brings the system to a position in the southern GOM just north of the Yucutan in a week while the 00Z Euro has the system moving north off the western tip of Cuba. The GFS, because it slowly moves the low further NW, brings the system across central or south-central FL. The Euro brings it across extreme S FL. It looks like a strong cold front will be coming into the GOM about a week from now and this track will be strongly influenced by that front - along with possibly shearing the system strongly at that time.


Yes, that scenario makes more sense -- IF it pans out we all here in FL will hope for a SHEARED system....


Of course, not saying this system will be anything like that cartoon character storm, but the system will be moving in the same direction as the shear so we'll see how much it is weakened. Again, a long way off so it'll be something to watch.
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Re: INVEST 90L Near Puerto Rico : Discussions & Images

#198 Postby wxman57 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:36 am

This analysis might help. Looks like the surface low is SW of PR now. Moving west at a good clip. Pressures rising fast across PR.

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Re: INVEST 90L Near Puerto Rico : Discussions & Images

#199 Postby chadtm80 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:39 am

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Re: INVEST 90L Near Puerto Rico : Discussions & Images

#200 Postby Thunder44 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:50 am

wxman57 wrote:This analysis might help. Looks like the surface low is SW of PR now. Moving west at a good clip. Pressures rising fast across PR.


Perhaps I was wrong then about reformation. Looks like the "old" LLC is stilling maintaining itself has been just moving away from Puerto Rico. Convection has been diminishing this morning as well. I don't think we will see development today. The MLC is still back over the Anegada Passage, and isn't moving very much.
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