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Girl, 12, suspended four months for gym wall graffiti

#1 Postby Ptarmigan » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:32 pm

Girl, 12, suspended four months for gym wall graffiti

The girl admitted to doing this, but THIS IS WAY TOO HARSH. MORE ZERO TOLERENCE STUPIDITY!!!!!!!!! STUPID PC GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!! She should be forced to clean the wall up and have some detentions.
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#2 Postby TexasStooge » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:25 am

I'd go with the wall cleaning and detentions as punishment myself, the 4 month suspension is...an overkill.
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#3 Postby alicia-w » Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:13 am

bravo to the administration for digging in their heels. if it had been the outside of your house, you'd be screaming for justice.
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#4 Postby gtalum » Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:45 am

alicia-w wrote:bravo to the administration for digging in their heels. if it had been the outside of your house, you'd be screaming for justice.


No. True justice in this case would be having to clean the wall and a week's detention. A multi-month suspension is a bit extreme. She wrote "I love Alex" on the wall with magic marker. That does not rise to the same level of trouble as drug dealing and terrorist threats.

If I were an attorney, I'd take this case against the schools and win easily if they don't back down.
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#5 Postby Regit » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:09 am

alicia-w wrote:bravo to the administration for digging in their heels. if it had been the outside of your house, you'd be screaming for justice.


I had a neighbor's kid shoot a hole in my vinyl siding with a pellet gun. The kid apologized and the parents paid for a new piece of siding. I think they grounded him for a week.

I was quite happy with the way things went.

This is going to make this child fall far behind her peers in terms of her education and there's no excuse.
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Re: Girl, 12, suspended four months for gym wall graffiti

#6 Postby alicia-w » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:20 am

she's been assigned to an alternative campus for 4 months, so she wont be missing out on any education. and that's not exactly a suspension where she'd be sitting at home...
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#7 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:38 am

she should have never been sparying the wall in the first place.

4 months is not enough, IMO
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#8 Postby Regit » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:41 am

alicia-w wrote:she's been assigned to an alternative campus for 4 months, so she wont be missing out on any education. and that's not exactly a suspension where she'd be sitting at home...


A disruptive alternative school environment where the child may feel out of place, scared, and overwhelmed, will most certainly set her back.
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#9 Postby Stratosphere747 » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:48 am

What's next? Jail time for etching your sweethearts name in the tree outside the cafeteria?
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Re: Girl, 12, suspended four months for gym wall graffiti

#10 Postby Regit » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:49 am

Derek Ortt wrote:she should have never been sparying the wall in the first place.

4 months is not enough, IMO


Read the article first, please. Also, if it doesn't give you enough information, read further. You would learn that.

-It was a very small 3-word statement written lightly with a marker.
-It was in an area of the gym where graffiti is common and is untouched by the school personnel.
-The girl is 12 and a good student.
-When school officials asked who wrote it, she did what was right and fessed up, showing a lot of maturity for a 12-year-old.

So basically, she made one mistake, but following it, did what was right. I think the real lesson she learned from this is that, in the future, when you make a mistake, you should lie about having done it.
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#11 Postby swimaster20 » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:05 am

I have to agree w/ Alicia and Derek on this one. Making sure the punishment is suspension instead of detention shows other students the consequences of writing or spraying on walls at school. With suspension, the kids would be less likely to do it than with detention. Anyway, destroying other's property needs a strict punishment b/c we don't want kids to grow up destroying other's property. Finally, the lot about the girl being too scared to learn is just not true b/c the willingness to learn can overcome fear.
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#12 Postby Opal storm » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:45 am

By reading some of these responses I would have thought she killed somebody.

I think this is way too harsh, and I wouldn't even consider it "graffiti" is was a freaking marker! At my HS there was REAL graffiti and much more explicit than what she wrote and nobody was suspened for 4 months.
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#13 Postby gtalum » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:26 am

alicia-w wrote:she's been assigned to an alternative campus for 4 months, so she wont be missing out on any education. and that's not exactly a suspension where she'd be sitting at home...


"Alternative campus" for delinquents is not a productive learning environment.

The punishment is extremely harsh for the crime. As has been noted, the lesson she has likely learned is to lie when confronted.
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Re: Girl, 12, suspended four months for gym wall graffiti

#14 Postby Ptarmigan » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:05 pm

UPDATE

Katy ISD rethinks girl's graffiti punishment

There is some good news, the girl may get her punishment reconsidered. Hopefully, the only punishment is that she cleans it up and gets some detention.
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#15 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:09 pm

Cleaning the wall and some community service. I think that would be enought if she is in fact a good student.
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#16 Postby chadtm80 » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:27 pm

Regit wrote:
Derek Ortt wrote:she should have never been sparying the wall in the first place.

4 months is not enough, IMO


Read the article first, please. Also, if it doesn't give you enough information, read further. You would learn that.

-It was a very small 3-word statement written lightly with a marker.
-It was in an area of the gym where graffiti is common and is untouched by the school personnel.
-The girl is 12 and a good student.
-When school officials asked who wrote it, she did what was right and fessed up, showing a lot of maturity for a 12-year-old.

So basically, she made one mistake, but following it, did what was right. I think the real lesson she learned from this is that, in the future, when you make a mistake, you should lie about having done it.


I see your point.. But I am sure she has also learned to not do it again in the first place
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Re: Girl, 12, suspended four months for gym wall graffiti

#17 Postby gtalum » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:32 pm

chadtm80 wrote:I see your point.. But I am sure she has also learned to not do it again in the first place


She would learn that lesson if forced to clean it up and spend time in detention. There's no need to interrupt her education to teach her this lesson.
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#18 Postby chadtm80 » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:36 pm

I dont think she would.. Certainly would be driven home IMO

Can almost bet my last dollar this gets reversed though anyhow
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#19 Postby superg77 » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:43 pm

I wonder if Alex knew little Shelby Sendelbach was in love with him before she wrote "I Love Alex" on the gym wall.
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#20 Postby gtalum » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:45 pm

chadtm80 wrote:I dont think she would..


I did. In high school, I got caught writing on a desk with a marker. The punishment: clean the desk, and serve detention for a week. Guess what: I never wrote on desks again. :)
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