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Bankrupt!

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:10 pm
by nystate
http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/14/news/fortune500/bankruptcy_airlines/index.htm?cnn=yes

Delta, Northwest file for bankruptcy
Spike in jet fuel sparks filings, putting almost half of U.S. airline capacity in Chapter 11.

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The airline industry's five-year financial crisis came to a head Wednesday evening as Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines, two of the nation's largest carriers, both filed for bankruptcy.

Delta, the nation's No. 3 airline, filed first. (For more on Delta's filing, click here.)

Northwest, the No. 4 carrier, followed within minutes. (Full story.)

Both cited the recent spike in jet fuel costs, which have soared nearly 20 percent since June 1, as prime reasons for seeking protection from creditors under Chapter 11 of federal bankruptcy laws.

"This is a coincidence, but what a coincidence," said industry consultant Michael Boyd. "This is another 9/11. Most carriers adjusted to that, but now we have another 9/11 that's called fuel. And we have another half of a 9/11 called pensions.

"The problem is there is so much competition out there, that fares get driven into the cellar," he added. "All this does is get two carriers into position where they can better deal with it, but it's not going to solve the basic problem that the industry [pricing] is irrational."

The two carriers joined No. 2 United Airlines (Research), which has been operating under bankruptcy protection since December 2002, and US Airways (Research), which is in its second trip to bankruptcy court since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

With the twin filings Wednesday, nearly half of the domestic industry's capacity is now on carriers operating in Chapter 11, according to an estimate from Bear Stearns. In Chapter 11, a company is protected from creditors while it keeps operating and tries to cut costs and reorganize.

There have been only a few profitable quarters for a few of the major airlines since the beginning of 2001, when a downturn in business travel eight months ahead of the Sept. 11 attacks started the red ink flowing.

The Air Transport Association estimates that from 2001 though 2004, the industry posted net losses of $32.3 billion, even with the profits made at lower-cost carriers such as Southwest Airlines and JetBlue.

Losses of another $9 billion to $10 billion are

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:06 pm
by nystate
Looks like more people are losing their pension plans! :(

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:25 am
by alicia-w
we have a couple of guys in the office who are furloughed Delta and NWA pilots. they are on the net all the time looking at stock prices and stuff. they are NOT in a good mood this morning...

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:58 am
by Miss Mary
We have plenty of Delta pilots living in my community, just across the river from Kentucky and about a 20 minute drive to CGV, the Greater Cincinnati Airport located in Kentucky. They all have large, expensive homes, children in private schools or college. You have to wonder what they're all going to do now. And their wives do not work, to occupy their time she serve on various PTA chairmanship boards. Which is in a sense a job (for all they do). I'm glad my husband isn't a pilot!

Mary

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:06 am
by Skywatch_NC
Wonder what airlines that Raine (Jackie) works for? Come to think of it...isn't it Delta...?

Eric

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:13 am
by gtalum
Miss Mary wrote:We have plenty of Delta pilots living in my community, just across the river from Kentucky and about a 20 minute drive to CGV, the Greater Cincinnati Airport located in Kentucky. They all have large, expensive homes, children in private schools or college. You have to wonder what they're all going to do now. And their wives do not work, to occupy their time she serve on various PTA chairmanship boards. Which is in a sense a job (for all they do). I'm glad my husband isn't a pilot!


For the most part they won't notice any difference. Day-to-day business won't change with teh bankruptcy.

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:17 am
by GalvestonDuck
Man, I'm gonna have a bear of a time flying to KY for Christmas....

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:20 am
by Skywatch_NC
My sister and her family are flying Northwest to a wedding in St. Louis tomorrow.

Eric

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:46 pm
by nystate
gtalum wrote:
Miss Mary wrote:We have plenty of Delta pilots living in my community, just across the river from Kentucky and about a 20 minute drive to CGV, the Greater Cincinnati Airport located in Kentucky. They all have large, expensive homes, children in private schools or college. You have to wonder what they're all going to do now. And their wives do not work, to occupy their time she serve on various PTA chairmanship boards. Which is in a sense a job (for all they do). I'm glad my husband isn't a pilot!


For the most part they won't notice any difference. Day-to-day business won't change with teh bankruptcy.


Except for the ones that get laid off....Also, their pay was already cut 33%, and it looks like Delta is going to want to cut even more of their pay...not a good time to be in the airline industry...

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:36 pm
by Miss Mary
Skywatch_NC wrote:Wonder what airlines that Raine (Jackie) works for? Come to think of it...isn't it Delta...?

Eric


Yes, Jackie does work for Delta. I know she needs to work now, their children are older, like mine - expensive teenagers!

But wouldn't it be nice if Delta's misfortune brought Jackie back home (by home, I mean S2K), even for a short time, until she was employed elsewhere?

Mary

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:40 pm
by streetsoldier
GalvestonDuck wrote:Man, I'm gonna have a bear of a time flying to KY for Christmas....


WHAT??? Drive up, as you did last year...and VISIT US! Annabelle (she be a ho') misses her AFLAC! :larrow:

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:07 pm
by gtalum
nystate wrote:
Except for the ones that get laid off....Also, their pay was already cut 33%, and it looks like Delta is going to want to cut even more of their pay...not a good time to be in the airline industry...


True enough.