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While I would love daylight savings time to be in effect pretty much year-round...this is not a good solution. Particularly the call for changing the time on the Sunday after Thanksgiving, and being out of whack with Europe for 7-8 weeks.

I think this is a bad idea. I honestly don't see the need to make it still light out at 7pm during thanksgiving...just wouldn't feel right. I doubt this bill will pass.

I think we should shift to year-round daylight savings time. Forget this clock-changing crap.

I don't get how changing the time affects cows (and yes, I'm a Texan). I mean, seriously, does the cow know what time it is? It's not like the sun will do anything to change. It'll still rise and set the same as always, no matter what *time* we say it is. It's not like it's going to say, "Oh, they need more daylight...I can't set yet. Hmmm...but what about the cows? They'll be confused." Seriously, won't there still be just as many hours of sunlight...it will only be different to us because what used to be 7PM will now be 8PM. Can't farmers just adjust that and still milk them when they anticipate being milked?

Nevertheless, as a former bussed kid, I can related to having to go to school when it's still dark in the AM. Furthermore, my b-day is in March. I need it to be dark outside when the party starts jumping.

gtalum wrote:I think we should shift to year-round daylight savings time. Forget this clock-changing crap.

Yeah, that'l be a great idea!

GalvestonDuck wrote:I don't get how changing the time affects cows (and yes, I'm a Texan). I mean, seriously, does the cow know what time it is? It's not like the sun will do anything to change. It'll still rise and set the same as always, no matter what *time* we say it is. It's not like it's going to say, "Oh, they need more daylight...I can't set yet. Hmmm...but what about the cows? They'll be confused." Seriously, won't there still be just as many hours of sunlight...it will only be different to us because what used to be 7PM will now be 8PM. Can't farmers just adjust that and still milk them when they anticipate being milked?

Nevertheless, as a former bussed kid, I can related to having to go to school when it's still dark in the AM. Furthermore, my b-day is in March. I need it to be dark outside when the party starts jumping.

Its not the cow's choice of when to be milked.

If they milk the cows at 6AM, and then 6AM becomes an hour later or earlier, the cows are like 'wtf'. What the frizzle.

kevin wrote:

GalvestonDuck wrote:I don't get how changing the time affects cows (and yes, I'm a Texan). I mean, seriously, does the cow know what time it is? It's not like the sun will do anything to change. It'll still rise and set the same as always, no matter what *time* we say it is. It's not like it's going to say, "Oh, they need more daylight...I can't set yet. Hmmm...but what about the cows? They'll be confused." Seriously, won't there still be just as many hours of sunlight...it will only be different to us because what used to be 7PM will now be 8PM. Can't farmers just adjust that and still milk them when they anticipate being milked?

Nevertheless, as a former bussed kid, I can related to having to go to school when it's still dark in the AM. Furthermore, my b-day is in March. I need it to be dark outside when the party starts jumping.

Its not the cow's choice of when to be milked.

If they milk the cows at 6AM, and then 6AM becomes an hour later or earlier, the cows are like 'wtf'. What the frizzle.

That's what I'm saying...why can't the farmer adjust his schedule? Milk the cows at 7.

Farmers are pretty stubborn. I've known a few.

They ain't gointa change thar ways just becuz those feder-als decide they know what best!

That's what I thought about the farmers/cow situation as well.

I would love it year round as well. I feel like I never see the daylight in the winter during the weekdays while at work.

I like the benefits. The only disadvantage that makes sense is the school. I say, let the schools move their schedule back by an hour. I don't understand why school has to start at 7:30 like many do. Kids get out of school at 2:30 or 3:30 now. What's wrong with getting out at 3:30 or 4:30? It would more closely match the parent's schedules anyway.

As for the cows, I think that they have them on a tight schedule to maximize production. The farmers make the adjustment now, so what's the difference if it occurs in a different month? I don't get it.

As for the airlines, who cares!

Those are good points

coriolis wrote:I like the benefits. The only disadvantage that makes sense is the school. I say, let the schools move their schedule back by an hour. I don't understand why school has to start at 7:30 like many do. Kids get out of school at 2:30 or 3:30 now. What's wrong with getting out at 3:30 or 4:30? It would more closely match the parent's schedules anyway.

As for the cows, I think that they have them on a tight schedule to maximize production. The farmers make the adjustment now, so what's the difference if it occurs in a different month? I don't get it.

As for the airlines, who cares!

I'll agree with that!!!

coriolis wrote:As for the airlines, who cares!

I suspect people who travel a lot internationally (and even just in the US, because international flights affect US flights) would care; as would people traveling home on the Sunday after Thanksgiving when you're not sure if it's 8:00 AM or 9:00 AM and you've got a flight to catch along with a bazillion other holiday travelers. If enough people miss their flights because they mucked up the time change personally, it could create some massive delays and havoc at the airport. The change could be moved to the first weekend in December to fix the heavy air travel problem, but the international time problem would still be around.

The farmers, maybe they could take several weeks to adjust the cows to the change gradually. Milk 'em one day at 6:00, the next a few minutes later/earlier, the next day a few more minutes later/earlier...until they're nice and comfy by the time change.

They can change it all they want... the Mayans ended their impressive calendar system in our upcoming 2012. Maybe we all just need to shake things up a bit in the final days

Let the pilots milk the cows and the farmers fly the international flights. Everyone's happy.

kevin wrote:If they milk the cows at 6AM, and then 6AM becomes an hour later or earlier, the cows are like 'wtf'. What the frizzle.

But teh farmers can always change and milk them at 7 AM instead, which to the cows, who are very unskilled at telling time, will be exactly the same.

I think you underestimate the cognitive capabilities of Bovines.

Actually, when I milk the goats and cows, they don't really care what time it is. Usually, they just want the grain. They do have a sense that it is around milking time, but sometimes they are waiting at the gate 3 hours early in the evening. But for DST, I just switch and by Monday morning, you would never know anything changed.

You have to isolate your variables. The goats might change the social instincts of gathered bovine. Maybe because the goats themselves do not have a good grasp of time, the cows decide it isn't important.

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- An agreement was reached Thursday to extend daylight-saving time in an effort to conserve energy, but not to the extent the House approved in April.

House and Senate negotiators on an energy bill agreed to begin daylight-saving time three weeks earlier, on the second Sunday in March, and extend it by one week to the first Sunday in November. The House bill would have added a month in the spring and another in the fall.


Here is the latest about a compromise to change the daylight savings time timeframe.The house had it from the first sunday in march to the last sunday in november but the new compromise timeframe is in the info that is posted up in the post.I favor it 100%.