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Is Iran's new President one of the hostage takers from 1979?

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:16 am
by Brent
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SAVANNAH, Georgia (AP) -- A quarter-century after they were taken captive in Iran, five former American hostages say they got an unexpected reminder of their 444-day ordeal in the bearded face of Iran's new president-elect.

Watching coverage of Iran's presidential election on television dredged up 25-year-old memories that prompted four of the former hostages to exchange e-mails.

And those four realized they shared the same conclusion -- the firm belief that President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had been one of their Iranian captors.

"This is the guy. There's no question about it," said former hostage Chuck Scott, a retired Army colonel who lives in Jonesboro, Georgia.

"You could make him a blond and shave his whiskers, put him in a zoot suit and I'd still spot him."

Scott and former hostages David Roeder, William J. Daugherty and Don A. Sharer told The Associated Press on Wednesday they have no doubt Ahmadinejad, 49, was one of the hostage-takers.

A fifth ex-hostage, Kevin Hermening, said he reached the same conclusion after looking at photos.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/ ... index.html

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:25 am
by GalvestonDuck
It's also alleged that he was an executioner who fired the last shot into a condemned person's head just to "make sure they are dead."

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:29 am
by wxcrazytwo
GalvestonDuck wrote:It's also alleged that he was an executioner who fired the last shot into a condemned person's head just to "make sure they are dead."


He does look a little trivial, but then again what does this information about him matter? Because of that are we going to attack IRAN like we did IRAQ. This information is irrelevant...

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:29 am
by stormie_skies
Well, that's just lovely .... :roll:

Certainly doesn't bode well for any improvement in our relations with Iran...

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:36 am
by Brent
wxcrazytwo wrote:
GalvestonDuck wrote:It's also alleged that he was an executioner who fired the last shot into a condemned person's head just to "make sure they are dead."


He does look a little trivial, but then again what does this information about him matter? Because of that are we going to attack IRAN like we did IRAQ. This information is irrelevant...


You don't see having a terrorist as the leader of a Country as a problem??? :eek:

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:38 am
by GalvestonDuck
wxcrazytwo wrote:
GalvestonDuck wrote:It's also alleged that he was an executioner who fired the last shot into a condemned person's head just to "make sure they are dead."


He does look a little trivial, but then again what does this information about him matter? Because of that are we going to attack IRAN like we did IRAQ. This information is irrelevant...


I said "alleged," didn't I?

Furthermore, let's not twist this into a political argument about the war. No one said anything about the war. Do you remember the hostage crisis at all?

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:40 am
by wxcrazytwo
GalvestonDuck wrote:
wxcrazytwo wrote:
GalvestonDuck wrote:It's also alleged that he was an executioner who fired the last shot into a condemned person's head just to "make sure they are dead."


He does look a little trivial, but then again what does this information about him matter? Because of that are we going to attack IRAN like we did IRAQ. This information is irrelevant...


I said "alleged," didn't I?

Furthermore, let's not twist this into a political argument about the war. No one said anything about the war. Do you remember the hostage crisis at all?


Yes I do. No trying to make it political sorry..

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:40 am
by wxcrazytwo
Brent wrote:
wxcrazytwo wrote:
GalvestonDuck wrote:It's also alleged that he was an executioner who fired the last shot into a condemned person's head just to "make sure they are dead."


He does look a little trivial, but then again what does this information about him matter? Because of that are we going to attack IRAN like we did IRAQ. This information is irrelevant...


You don't see having a terrorist as the leader of a Country as a problem??? :eek:


No, we do... :D :wink:

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:54 am
by GalvestonDuck
What's really crazy is to think back about how many of us felt when Iraq attacked Iran, which supposedly played some part in weaking Iran and helping to bring about the release of the hostages.

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:49 am
by Brent
wxcrazytwo wrote:
Brent wrote:
wxcrazytwo wrote:
GalvestonDuck wrote:It's also alleged that he was an executioner who fired the last shot into a condemned person's head just to "make sure they are dead."


He does look a little trivial, but then again what does this information about him matter? Because of that are we going to attack IRAN like we did IRAQ. This information is irrelevant...


You don't see having a terrorist as the leader of a Country as a problem??? :eek:


No, we do... :D :wink:


You need help if you believe that. :roll:

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:16 am
by vbhoutex
Of course his aids are denying it, but pictures seem to tell a different story as do some of the hostages. As one of the former hostages said this morning on The Today Show, "You never forget the face of someone who constantly put your life in peril." That is all I needed to hear.

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:46 pm
by southerngale
Brent wrote:
wxcrazytwo wrote:
GalvestonDuck wrote:It's also alleged that he was an executioner who fired the last shot into a condemned person's head just to "make sure they are dead."


He does look a little trivial, but then again what does this information about him matter? Because of that are we going to attack IRAN like we did IRAQ. This information is irrelevant...


You don't see having a terrorist as the leader of a Country as a problem??? :eek:


No kidding! Geesh!

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:16 pm
by JTD
This is an amazing story.

I could not believe it this morning when I'm saw. He still seems to be quite the hardliner too and that's not good.

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:35 pm
by CentralFlGal
By KATHY GANNON, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 14 minutes ago



TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's president-elect belonged to the group that seized the U.S. Embassy in 1979, but he played no role in either capturing or holding Americans hostage, according to friends, associates and a former hostage-taker interviewed Thursday.

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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the hard-liner elected Iran's new president last week, initially opposed the embassy takeover, although he later dropped his opposition, an aide said.

A former hostage-taker also said, "He was not part of us."

But Ahmadinejad may have been among the hundreds of students uninvolved in the holding of the hostages who nevertheless had access to the embassy during that period.

Five former U.S. hostages said they recognized Ahmadinejad and were certain he was one of the hostage-takers. One hostage said Ahmadinejad interrogated him during 444 days of captivity and appeared to be the students' security chief.

Ahmadinejad, a student at Tehran's Science and Technical University at the time, was a member of the Office of Strengthening Unity, the group of radical students who planned the embassy takeover, associates said.

But he opposed the takeover and was more concerned with targeting the Soviets than the United States, they said.

"At that time, Ahmadinejad had focused his fight against communism and Marxism and he was one of the opponents of takeover of the U.S. Embassy," Mohammad Ali Sayed Nejad, a longtime friend of the president-elect, told The Associated Press. "He was a constant opponent."

Abbas Abdi, the top leader of the students who swept into the embassy Nov. 4, 1979, and took Americans hostage, told the AP that Ahmadinejad was not involved.

"He was not part of us. He played no role in the seizure, let alone being responsible for security," said Abdi, now a leading reform proponent who sharply opposed Ahmadinejad's run for president.

Many students had access to the embassy while it was being held, moving in and out, and Ahmadinejad also may have had access.

During a recent private meeting, Ahmadinejad, asked by a colleague about his role in taking the U.S. Embassy, said he opposed it when it was being planned, according to an Ahmadinejad aide who attended the meeting.

"I believed that if we did that, the world would swallow us," Ahmadinejad replied, according to the aide, Meisan Rowhani.

Ahmadinejad dropped his opposition after the revolution's leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, expressed support for the hostage-taking, but he never participated, Rowhani said.

Former hostages Chuck Scott, David Roeder, William J. Daugherty and Don A. Sharer told the AP on Wednesday they had no doubt Ahmadinejad, 49, was one of the hostage-takers. A fifth ex-hostage, Kevin Hermening, said he reached the same conclusion after looking at photos.

"I can absolutely guarantee you he was not only one of the hostage-takers, he was present at my personal interrogation," Roeder told AP in an interview from his home in Pinehurst, N.C.

Daugherty, who worked for the CIA in Iran and now lives in Savannah, Ga., said a man he's convinced was Ahmadinejad was among a group of ringleaders escorting a Vatican representative during a visit in the early days of the hostage crisis.

"It's impossible to forget a guy like that," Daugherty said. "Clearly the way he acted, the fact he gave orders, that he was older, most certainly he was one of the ringleaders."

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Associated Press reporters Ali Akbar Dareini and Nasser Karimi contributed to this report.


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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:22 pm
by stormie_skies
I don't know....the more I read about this, the more I have to wonder if the media jumped on it prematurely....

Here are a few additional quotes from the AP story that haven't been posted here yet:

Some former hostages couldn't be sure about their captors. Former Marine embassy guard Paul Lewis of Sidney, Ill., said he thought Ahmadinejad looked vaguely familiar when he saw a picture of him on the news last week, but "my memories were more of the gun barrel, not the people behind it."

"I cannot postively identify the individual. When I was interrogated, I was blindfolded and shackled," said Alan Golancinski, one of the former hostages who is retired and now lives in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla. "He does look familiar, but I have no way of postively identifying the individual," he said.

A memory expert cautioned that people who discuss their recollections can influence one another in reinforcing false memories. Also, it's harder to identify from memory someone of a different race or ethnicity, said psychologist Elizabeth Loftus of the University of California, Irvine.

"Twenty-five years is an awfully long time," Loftus said. "Of course we can't say this is false, but these things can lead people down the path of having a false memory."


It is certainly something worth looking into (and I am not by any means suggesting that these men are deliberately lying about this) but I think it is just as likely that this is a case of mistaken identity....

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:30 pm
by sunny
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An American hostage outside the U.S. Embassy in Teheran, on Nov. 9, 1979. The man at right has been identified as Iran's president-elect. AP

from the drudgereport.com