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Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Overturned! Sad & Inhumane

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:19 pm
by southerngale
This makes me sick!! That judge needs to go. Phyllis? A woman no doubt. I'm a woman too and MY right to choose isn't more important than an innocent baby's right to life. The baby's heart is beating at 18 days, not even 3 weeks yet, a life alright. How many abortions are performed BEFORE 18 days? Then you take partial-birth abortion and that is just barbarous!

Steps of a partial-birth abortion:

- Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps.

-The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.

- The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.

- The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.

- The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.


Now try that a few months later and the person who killed the baby would go to prison for life or get the death penalty. Doesn't make a lick of sense!! :grr:


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - In a ruling with coast-to-coast effect, a federal judge declared the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act unconstitutional Tuesday, saying it infringes on a woman's right to choose.

U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton's ruling came in one of three lawsuits challenging the legislation President Bush signed last year.

She agreed with abortion rights activists that a woman's right to choose is paramount, and that is therefore "irrelevant" whether a fetus suffers pain, as abortion foes contend.

"The act poses an undue burden on a woman's right to choose an abortion," the judge wrote.

The ruling applies to the nation's 900 or so Planned Parenthood clinics and their doctors, who perform about half the 1.3 million abortions done each year in the United States.

Federal judges in New York and Nebraska also heard challenges to the law earlier this year but have yet to rule.

Planned Parenthood lawyer Beth Parker welcomed the ruling, saying it sends a "strong message" to the Bush administration "that the government should not be intruding on very sensitive and private medical decisions."

In a statement, the Bush re-election campaign said: "Today's tragic ruling upholding partial birth abortion shows why America needs judges who will interpret the law and not legislate from the bench. ... John Kerry's judicial nominees would similarly frustrate the people's will and allow this grotesque procedure to continue."

Justice Department spokeswoman Monica Goodling said the government "will continue to devote all resources necessary to defend this act of Congress, which President Bush has said 'will end an abhorrent practice and continue to build a culture of life in America.'"

The Kerry campaign had no immediate comment.

The law, signed in November, represented the first substantial federal legislation limiting a woman's right to choose an abortion. Abortion rights activists said it ran counter to three decades of Supreme Court precedent.

It a banned procedure known to doctors as intact dilation and extraction, but called "partial-birth abortion" by foes of abortion. During the banned procedure, the living fetus is partially removed from the womb, and its skull is punctured or crushed.

Justice Department attorneys argued the procedure is inhumane, causes pain to the fetus and is never medically necessary. A government lawyer told the judge that it "blurs the line of abortion and infanticide."

Abortion proponents argued, however, that a woman's health during an abortion is more important than how the fetus is terminated, and that the banned method is often safer than a conventional abortion, in which the fetus is dismembered in the womb and then removed in pieces.

In her ruling, the judge said it was "grossly misleading and inaccurate" to suggest the banned procedure verges on infanticide.

Rep. Steve Chabot, R-Ohio, the chief sponsor of the House bill, said the banned abortion method "has no place in a civilized society," and predicted the Supreme Court would decide the outcome.

"Regardless of this decision from San Francisco, partial-birth abortion remains a horrific practice that snuffs out innocent life seconds before the baby takes its first breath," Chabot said.

The measure, which President Clinton had twice vetoed, was seen by abortion rights activists as a fundamental departure from the Supreme Court's 1973 precedent in Roe v. Wade. Abortion advocates said the law was the government's first step toward outlawing abortion.

Violating the law carries a two-year prison term.

Late last year, Hamilton, a Clinton appointee, and federal judges in New York and Lincoln, Neb., blocked the act from being enforced pending the outcome of the court challenges. They began hearing testimony March 29.

Doctors have construed the Supreme Court's decision in Roe. v. Wade to mean they can perform abortions usually until the 24th to 28th week after conception, or until the "point of viability," when a healthy fetus is thought to be able to survive outside the womb. Generally, abortions after the "point of viability" are performed only to preserve the mother's health.

The Nebraska and New York cases are expected to conclude within weeks. The outcomes, which may conflict with one another, will almost certainly be appealed to the Supreme Court.

The New York case was brought by the National Abortion Federation, which represents nearly half the nation's abortion providers. The Nebraska case was brought by a few abortion doctors.

The U.S. Supreme Court had overturned a Nebraska partial-birth abortion law because it did not allow the banned procedure even when a doctor believes the method is the best way to preserve the woman's health.

Congressional sponsors said the ban would outlaw only 2,200 or so abortions a year.

But abortion providers testified the banned method can happen even at times when doctors try to avoid it, such as when they attempt to remove the fetus from the womb in pieces.

They warned that the law could be used to ban almost all second-trimester abortions, which account for about 10 percent of all abortions in the United States.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040601/D82UEQC00.html

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:30 pm
by Guest
Disgusting. Absolutely inhumane and immoral. I am a STRONG advocate of women's rights, but supporting partial birth abortion is taking it WAY too far. The lawyer who said partial birth abortion, "blurs the line of abortion and infanticide" is 100% right. I'm disgusted that the Supreme Court would rule this way. Completely disgusted, but not surprised.
...Jennifer...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:30 pm
by Lindaloo
My gosh at the details!

This country is going to heck in a handbasket if we do not get these left wing judges off our benches and out of our courtrooms!!

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:32 pm
by Guest
That is truely sickening! :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:38 pm
by Josephine96
I am also a supporter of women's rights.. but I have to agree with you guys that partial birth abortions seem a little extreme

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:42 pm
by Guest
Josephine96 wrote:I am also a supporter of women's rights.. but I have to agree with you guys that partial birth abortions seem a little extreme



Its all extreme IMO. A life is a life and that starts at conception.(Think thats the proper term for that)

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:44 pm
by Josephine96
I believe it is too.. {the right term that is lol}

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:37 pm
by Derek Ortt
Let me try and understand something.

Scott Peterson is charged with killing a fetus and Terry Nichols was convicted of the same thing. But other forms of killing babies are OK? And who are the a** holes making these decisions? If this is what are gov't is going to produce, it is time we find a form that will actually protect the peopl as our form is doing a horrible job, IMO

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:38 pm
by GalvestonDuck
Thirty-six years ago, I was born at just over 26 weeks and I survived. Medicine has come a LONG way since then, so anyone who tries to argue that judge's bunk about when a baby is viable is full of it, IMO!

Who can really say when a baby is viable outside the mother's body? And is he really "viable" once he is born? Doesn't a baby rely on his mother even after birth? So what's the difference between one who is being nourished within his mother's womb and one who is nourished from her breast while in her arms? A baby is a living human being from the moment of conception IMO and it doesn't matter what parts aren't developed yet -- it's still a human. Our bodies continue to develop even after birth, from childhood into adolescence and adulthood. So, how can pro-abortion advocates claim it's not a human life because it's not fully developed?

Argh! Their whole thinking makes absolutely no sense to me!

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:01 pm
by southerngale
Me either duckie. I can't even think that way. Even if my life was in danger, my extinct would be to save my baby, even if I died.

Judge Hamilton, in a 120-page decision, also said the ban on the gruesome abortion procedure presents an "undue burden" for women, is unconstitutionally vague, and infringes on the so-called right to abortion handed down by the Supreme Court in the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision.

Undue burden for the women? Give me a freaking break! What about the baby? Good gosh this is just sick!

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:02 pm
by mf_dolphin
Just keep in mind that these people will have to answer for their actions sooner or later. Murder is murder no matter how you want to try and justify it...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:05 pm
by Guest
This was a great step for women's rights and women's health.

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:07 pm
by mf_dolphin
This ruling had nothing to do with women's health. This ruling as well as Roe V Wade is legalized murder. One day we will start acting like a civilized nation.

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:09 pm
by southerngale
zwyts wrote:This was a great step for women's rights and women's health.


Who cares about the innocent babies dying though, right? As long as some selfish women get their way, it's ok to sacrifice some babies in this disgusting manner.

Here's a baby aborted at 21 weeks. Partial-birth abortion is legal before 21 weeks.
(Warning to some: gruesome pic below)




















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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:19 pm
by Guest
I am for choice. Yes I think it is OK for women to choose. And I am glad the lunatic Ashcroft who has no respect for women or privacy had been defeated for now. Now hopefully doctors will not fear jail, when they are trying to preserve a mother's health.

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:21 pm
by rainstorm
its a great issue for bush though. elect kerry and you will have the most leftist supreme court in history. and ultra leftist judges as well.

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:21 pm
by Lindaloo
zwyts wrote:This was a great step for women's rights and women's health.


Don't speak for me! :grr:

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:22 pm
by Lindaloo
zwyts wrote:I am for choice. Yes I think it is OK for women to choose. And I am glad the lunatic Ashcroft who has no respect for women or privacy had been defeated for now. Now hopefully doctors will not fear jail, when they are trying to preserve a mother's health.



Why bring Ashcroft into this?!! Typical!

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:24 pm
by Guest
zwyts, I think you just like being the voice of opposition, whether you support whatever is being discussed or not. :roll:
...Jennifer...

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:24 pm
by Lindaloo
AMEN Jen!