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JFK?

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:23 pm
by GalvestonDuck
Since I wasn't born until '68, I obviously missed living through the turmoil that followed John F. Kennedy's assassination. And with that, I missed watching the news and being able to form an opinion about what I think really happened. As far as I'm concerned, almost everything I've read has some sort of a slant to it. Of course, that's true with today's news also, but at least I'm here and able to get a more accurate feel of what's happening as it happens.

I've read the Warren Report (and wish I could find what I did with my hardbound copy!). I've seen Oliver Stone's "JFK". I've been to Dealy Plaza and the Sixth Floor Museum in the old Texas School Book Depository. I've heard all about the Magic Bullet and about how the back of his head showed an exit wound which would be consistent with a gunshot wound from the front (maybe the grassy knoll) as opposed to from the back (Oswald on the sixth floor of TSBD).

So, I'm wondering...what's your opinion? Lone gunman, conspiracy, or what?

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:29 pm
by GalvestonDuck
Quick note to the mods -- I'm glad you added the option to "View Results" without having to vote. I found myself staring at the poll for a second, thinking, "Oh, great...I have to pick on in order to see how everyone else votes" and since I don't have an opinion on it, I couldn't pick.

Then I saw the "View" option. :)

Thank you!

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:34 pm
by stormchazer
Conspiracy...even the 1979 Assasination Committee said that it was most likely a conspiracy. I believe Oswald was a part either wittingly or unwittingly. I have always believed that the Warren Commission knew the truth, but because telling it to the American people would have resulted in war, they have used Oswald as the lone gunman. That is the only way you could get Gerald Ford, Judge Warren, the Kennedy Family and all the others go along like they did.

If for instance, Castro had paid to have it done, with Kennedy's Camelot popularity, the American people would have demanded invasion. USSR would have gotten involved and you can see what the result might have been.

I have always believed Castro was involved and that is the reason that against somewhat popular opinion, we have continued the embargo against Cuba. We could achieve more with trade to Cuba then we have with the embargo. Every President has been privy to the truth and the embargo goes on. It is awful coincidental. :usa

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:44 pm
by opera ghost
I have suspicions that it was a conspiracy- but I was born in '80 and it was long over and hashed to death by the time that I made it to the table to debate. :D

jfk

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:57 pm
by sunnyday
I will NEVER forget that weekend of the assassinaiton. It was absolutely horrible. I've read quite a bit about the whole situation, and I have an opinion that I'll just keep to myself. :cry:

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:02 pm
by mf_dolphin
There's not a doubt in my military mind that there was a conspiracy and more than one gunman as well. At that point in time, Castro would not have attempted that kind of event without the full knowledge and approval from the Soviets. JMHO

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:03 am
by stormy
well i think lbj was part of it. i dont have facts its a gut feeling. i almost picked the one that states elvis and jfk eating whoppers. that one is cute. i agree mf had to be more than one person. the shots came from elsewhere.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:09 am
by ColdFront77
I never heard that thought about JFK's assassination..... It is hard to believe Lyndon Baines Johnson would want the President of the United States dead so he could become President.


GalvestonDuck wrote:Quick note to the mods -- I'm glad you added the option to "View Results" without having to vote. I found myself staring at the poll for a second, thinking, "Oh, great...I have to pick on in order to see how everyone else votes" and since I don't have an opinion on it, I couldn't pick.

Then I saw the "View" option. :)

Thank you!

As far as I know, the "View option" always has been a feature. :)

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:43 am
by GalvestonDuck
I've heard people mention that LBJ wanting to be sworn in so quickly, as well as some quote he allegedly said (can't recall what it was right now) points to the possibility that he was in on it.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:16 am
by stormy
they swore him in on the plane right away. jfk's body was on the plane. i still think he had something todo with it. i guess we will never know the whole story. that is sad.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:49 am
by Stephanie
I think it was a conspiracy and Oswald knew it. I want to say that LBJ was apart of it as well, but I didn't select it because there are too many potential suspects out there.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 11:40 am
by mf_dolphin
The fact that LBJ was sworn in immediately could be explained by the fact that we were in a very high tension time and transfer of power was critical.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:01 pm
by Lindaloo
I have always thought that Castro played a major role in the death of JFK. This Lyndon Johnson theory has really thrown me for a loop. I had NO idea he may have been involved.

I also heard that the United States is trying to lift that embargo and allowing Americans to visit Cuba.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:03 pm
by Stephanie
I had always heard that LBJ was apart of the "conspiracy theory". I really didn't think about the possibility of Cuba until it was mentioned here.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:07 pm
by Lindaloo
It amazes me that this case is still ongoing. With all the modern technology we have today it seems that we could have found out by now who killed the President of the United States. Sad day when there has been no justice for a great man like JFK.

No one has ever mentioned the man who shot Oswald. How convenient that Oswald was killed before we could get any info. Guess someone wanted him silenced.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:24 pm
by Stephanie
Lindaloo wrote:It amazes me that this case is still ongoing. With all the modern technology we have today it seems that we could have found out by now who killed the President of the United States. Sad day when there has been no justice for a great man like JFK.

No one has ever mentioned the man who shot Oswald. How convenient that Oswald was killed before we could get any info. Guess someone wanted him silenced.


My feelings exactly. With all of the "suspects" pretty much dead and buried, so too are the answers unfortunately IMHO. :( I was just over 1 year old at the time so I don't remember those days.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:52 pm
by coriolis
I think that Oswald was part of a conspiracy, but he was just a dumb hitman. He probably didn't know that he would, in turn be killed as part of the conspiracy. I've seen that picture of him getting shot. The look on his face is as if he'd been betrayed.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:23 pm
by stormchazer
coriolis wrote:I think that Oswald was part of a conspiracy, but he was just a dumb hitman. He probably didn't know that he would, in turn be killed as part of the conspiracy. I've seen that picture of him getting shot. The look on his face is as if he'd been betrayed.


I think that look was "OUCH!!"

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:24 pm
by GalvestonDuck
Re: Johnson's involvement. I remember now what a guy I used to work with told me about it. He said that, in a strange move almost immediately after the assassination, Johnson ordered Kennedy's rocking chair removed from the Oval Office. Sounds corny to me. And also, if you watch the Zapruder film closely, you supposedly can see LBJ moving nervously then ducking before the first shot, which would prove (if you believe it) that he knew what was coming.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:57 pm
by stormchazer
GalvestonDuck wrote:Re: Johnson's involvement. I remember now what a guy I used to work with told me about it. He said that, in a strange move almost immediately after the assassination, Johnson ordered Kennedy's rocking chair removed from the Oval Office. Sounds corny to me. And also, if you watch the Zapruder film closely, you supposedly can see LBJ moving nervously then ducking before the first shot, which would prove (if you believe it) that he knew what was coming.


You also see Secret Service guys running, and people along the road ducking. I have never read or seen any information that leads me to believe that LBJ was involved. A lot of whoo-ha is made of there frigid relationship but that is not odd for a Prez and VP. These marriages are often made to make the party ticket not because they are best buddies. Look at todays political landscape and considered if a bunch of ego power craving politicians would have helped cover-up LBJ. Things were not as intense then, but if LBJ was involved, why would Ford...a Republican, help cover it up. The Republicans would have had is head on a platter. The big sticking point to the conspiracy theory is how do you either blind that many people, or get so many people to lie?

Look, Bobby Kennedy was essentially the head of the domestic intelligence agencies. He would have had to have an inkling of LBJ involvement but he made like a church mouse. The entire Warren Commission was loyal to LBJ? John Cooper a republican, Alan Dulles a Conservative CIA head, along with all the staff involved. It is to much to believe that if there had been serious involvement by LBJ, that someone would not have leaked that info.

Finally, if a Government leader was involved, I would point more towards J Edgar Hoover. He despised Kennedy and was being blocked out by Bobby. He reccomended to LBJ the Warren Commission which essentially locked out Congress from the initial investigation. Consider also that LBJ was in the parade. This is a major breach of security to have the Prez and Vice that closely together in unsecured public. One my wonder if LBJ was a target as well which might explains his actions afterwards. How many times is Cheney and Bush together in public?

There are certainly questions about who was involved, but I think LBJ is low on the list. I vote Cuba, Mafia, J Edgar, or wacked out anti-Camelot crackpots. The pro-Vietnam, Pro-Cuba invasion wackos who thought Kennedy was a weak-kneed President. Agree or disagree?