U.S. Sees War Protest

#1 Postby **bfez1** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 12:45 pm

Protesters gathered today in New York and dozens of other U.S. cities to join what organizers said were massive antiwar demonstrations in more than 600 cities around the world. Some protesters said they would not oppose military action if it was backed by the United Nations.

mf_dolphin · #2 Postby **mf_dolphin** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 12:49 pm

I'm glad they protested but just happen to disagree with them! people need to speak out about their beliefs even when they're wrong :lol:

#3 Postby **bfez1** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 12:54 pm

MF for President in 2004 :lol:

#4 Postby **streetsoldier** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 2:03 pm

We saw this 30 years ago, again during Panama/Grenada, then Bosnia, Kosovo, now today.

Where are those who support the President? Why no marches or rallies to show our resolve?

This sends a false message to our enemies, bolsters resistance from our so-called "friends", and IMHO spells T-R-E-A-S-O-N...a word we've long forgotten.

Skywatch_NC · #5 Postby **Skywatch_NC** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 2:07 pm

I agree Streetsoldier! Folks need to walk in George Dubya's shoes before making a judgement call on not going in and taking care of tyrants like Saddam and Usama! Sorry if I've stepped on any toes.

sunny shine · #6 Postby **sunny shine** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 2:11 pm

I am sure there are probably supporters who are rallying in support of President Bush. BUT, do you actually think the liberal bias media is going to bid it the time of day? I think not. The media is only concerned with negatives not positives. Anytime there is NO support for President Bush, the media will be there to cover it.

#7 Postby **HeartofNC** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 2:17 pm

I was downtown Raleigh this morning, there were protesters on many corners - all appeared to be peaceful, but there was police all around as well. They have every right to protest... Don't think it will do 'em much good tho.

#8 Postby **streetsoldier** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 2:18 pm

sunny shine, as usual, you're right...

They covered the "Million-Mom March" in favor of gun control (actually 20, 000), but failed to note, much less mention the "Refuse to Be a Victim" gathering (65, 000) by women who want right-to-carry...

One thing I remember from the Vietnam era still rings true, which is a rewrite of the motto printed on the cover of the New York Times...

"All the News That Fits".

wannabehippie · #9 Postby **wannabehippie** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 2:52 pm

snip <Where are those who support the President? Why no marches or rallies to show our resolve? >

if you belive so strongly then organize one. usually the people who agree with a given policy rarely have rallies.

snip <This sends a false message to our enemies, bolsters resistance from our so-called "friends", and IMHO spells T-R-E-A-S-O-N...a word we've long forgotten.>

ah so if someone exercises their right to free speech and protests against a given foreign policy it is treason. interesting rational. so if i dont agree with the president and i show it i am a traitor? I dont think so streetsoldier.
you claim you are a libertarian. even if you dont agree with the protesters you should be the first one shouting approval for their right to do so, anything less than full support for the right for one to protest is the real T-R-E-A-S-O-N!

snip < am sure there are probably supporters who are rallying in support of President Bush. BUT, do you actually think the liberal bias media is going to bid it the time of day? I think not. The media is only concerned with negatives not positives. Anytime there is NO support for President Bush, the media will be there to cover>

seems like to me the conservatives love to claim liberal media bias. but i would like to point out a few things.
1) Fox news is a conservative news outlet. no liberal bias there, if anything it is the opposite. they could easily cover any rally that supports conservative causes if they so desired
2) as for the liberal bias, some of the on air commentators/reporters may be liberals, but for the most part the station owners are fairly conservative.

snip < much less mention the "Refuse to Be a Victim" gathering (65, 000) by women who want right-to-carry... >

what does that mean "right to carry" ? last time i checked no one forced anyone to get an abortion.
while i am on that subject, many anti abortionists claim that abortion should be criminalized and pregnant women forced to carry all pregnacies to full term. interesting how they like to use "right to carry" but only when it applies to no abortions. also i have noticed that certain anti abortionists also like to say that if all pregnant women who dont want their pregnancies to full term were forced to do so and then gave the baby up for adoption millions of familes who cant have children would adopt them with open arms. if that were true why are they thousands if not millions of children in foster care, wards of the state etc just waiting to be adopted by a loving family?

peace
david

JQ Public · #10 Postby **JQ Public** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 3:10 pm

Treason. That is a bunch of bull streetsoldier. If you wanna live in a place where everyone has to agree with the president then i would suggest Iraq or N. Korea. It is beautiful there this time of year....

::sigh:: what happened to freedom of speech? So y'all were commiting treason every time you disagreed with president clinton? That just doesn't make sense. They wouldn't be speaking out unless they loved this country. Most people for the war probably didn't even vote. Most people who go out and protest vote...they have more of a say then people that sit around and do nothing.

#11 Postby **streetsoldier** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 3:21 pm

"Right to carry" means FIREARMS, "wannabehippee"...as to you, JQ, were you spit on by your own countrymen after coming home from fighting our enemies? Did you do your job to the very best of your ability, only to be ostracised, shunned and forgotten? Did you EVER wear the uniform at all?
I call it "aid and comfort to the enemy" and I stick to it. Been there...have YOU?

mf_dolphin · #12 Postby **mf_dolphin** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 3:26 pm

The right to protest is every American's right and duty! In this case I believe they are wrong but I fully support their right to voice their opinion. To classify this as treason is just incorrect. What Jane Fonda did during Vietnam was treason and she should have been shot.

Let's not forget that freedon of speech is one of the most valuable freedom's we have!

JQ Public · #13 Postby **JQ Public** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 3:43 pm

We never said we hated the soldiers. I have alotta respect for the soldiers because they are keeping us safe. I have a problem with the grey headed people in washington sending the young out to do their dirty business. Some of which i don't agree with.

Rob-TheStormChaser · #14 Postby **Rob-TheStormChaser** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 3:51 pm

I heard a story on the news the other day that soldiers are already being spit upon. Seems that being a "protester" is the "in thing" to do.

We have no hope of drowning out these negative war protesters but that is expected. Selling negativity always gets lots of attention.

When one is in the right or doing the right thing for America, you don't have to protest. So our word is not heard.

Only by standing up and being counted can we counter these un American activities. I say "un American" not for the protest. That is very American but these protests are organized and run by socialist and anti American groups.

Their purpose is not to do right but to make America look bad.

We all know that Saddam Hussein is not going to live up to what he has been promising lately but you can bet one thing, he's not "appearing" to comply because of protesters. He is "appearing" to comply because of the "threat of force."

StormCrazyIowan · #15 Postby **StormCrazyIowan** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:02 pm

All these different opinions are why I like to stay out of war issues, because differences in opinion can lead to war! I will say this, I am in support of our troops, I have family and friends currently serving, and I support taking down Saddam and Osama, but I do not care for President Bush in the least, and I am afraid he will make a wrong choice for our country. Only time will tell, I just pray that our troops and fellow Americans stay safe!

#16 Postby **BreinLa** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:06 pm

Think this says it all:

"The president views force as a last resort. He still hopes for a peaceful resolution and that it is up to Saddam Hussein. The president is a strong advocate for freedom and democracy. And one of the democratic values that we hold dear is the right of people to peacefully assemble and express their views," White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo said.

Copied the quote from this article
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/15/sprj.i ... index.html

Rob-TheStormChaser · #17 Postby **Rob-TheStormChaser** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:12 pm

Well....lets hope for the sake of many millions of people....he sticks to plan and can resolve these issues so we all can get back to living a little easier.

#18 Postby **cycloneye** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:35 pm

Yes I agree that it is up to Saddam to disarm peacefully and if Iraq does not disarm then military force should be used but I agree that it will be better if the US has the UN backing.

#19 Postby **streetsoldier** » Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:47 pm

I'd have much more faith in the UN if it had a consistent record; the last time the UN acted as a world body in countering aggression was between 1950 and 1953 in Korea.

Since that time, again and again, the UN has proven itself feckless at best, incompetent and/or irrelevant at worst, in doing the job it was designed to accomplish.

#20 Postby **Stephanie** » Sun Feb 16, 2003 11:12 am

I can understand your frustration Streetsoldier and all of the other vets outh there that had gone to fight for our nation only to come back and be ostracized for only doing your job. I hope that we've all learned from the terrible tragedy of how we treated our service men and women after the Vietnam War.

However, I really, really resent being called a traitor or as Southerngale nicely put it in a post somewhere else "you're either with us or with the terrorists" That's really a wonderful, short-sighted, ignorant thought. Peace is not unpatriotic, "peaceniks' giving our opinions is not unpatriotic or treasonness, it's what America is all about!!!

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